Do You Use A Missal?

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='02 July 2010 - 01:51 AM' timestamp='1278049888' post='2136881']
Plus the Last Gospel.

And the Suscipe, Sancta Trinitas...

And the Introits.

And the communion rite prayers.

and the Placeat tibi...

and... well, just...


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Tha's right. I pray the last gospel while the choir noobs croon away on some hymn (helps me stay focused and not lose a gasket when I hear the art I'm becoming a professional in be butchered yet again ). I also do the prayer after low mass after a said NO. Yeah, ZeeZee, I totally reach.

[Marie-Therese]

OK, here's a question. What are the major differences between the Angelus Press and the Baronius Press missals? I was looking into both and was leaning toward the Baronius version, but I am curious to know how they are different.

Also, does either of them have the propers for the feast of St. Philomena? I was reading something about when the traditional calendar was revised and didn't know if these missals retained the propers for her feast day.

[zunshynn]

[quote name='Marie-Therese' date='02 July 2010 - 12:02 AM' timestamp='1278050531' post='2136891']
OK, here's a question. What are the major differences between the Angelus Press and the Baronius Press missals? I was looking into both and was leaning toward the Baronius version, but I am curious to know how they are different.

Also, does either of them have the propers for the feast of St. Philomena? I was reading something about when the traditional calendar was revised and didn't know if these missals retained the propers for her feast day.
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No St. Philomena, sorry. I know the Angelus Missal doesn't. The Baronius Missal might because it has more supplemental propers, but I don't think it does.

The major differences are really just in layout. For example...

For the ordinary, the Angelus Missal puts the Latin texts with the rubrics (in English, in red) on the right side. The left side has the English translation, and in the margin there is a little bit of commentary. In the Baronius Missal, the Latin is also on the right, with the English on the left, but the rubrics are printed on both sides in red, in English. the text then, spans the whole page for the ordinary, which, personally, I found made it harder to follow, compared to the narrower column format in the Angelus Missal, because it's not as easy to scan... you have to move your eyes more to read, and you flip pages more frequently.

The artwork is the same (they were both modeled after an older missal, and I believe they both use the same artwork as that one.)

The layout of the Proper of Seasons is pretty much the same... the Latin text is slightly smaller, on the inside columns, and the outside columns are English, slightly larger. They both have the same short commentaries. The latin text in the Baronius is even smaller and the column is narrower than in the Angelus Missal... the English and the Latin are closer to the same size in the Angelus Missal.

The Proper of Saints is pretty much the same, although the Baronius Missal uses a large letter for the beginning of every paragraph, and the Angelus Press only uses it for the Introit. I like that better, I find it less distracting, although it's a small thing. When Masses use the same epistle, or collect or whatever, the Baronius Press usually reprints it each time, whereas the Angelus Missal directs you to where it is first printed. I think that might be one advantage of the Baronius, because flipping back and forth is a pain, but you get used to it especially with the ribbons, and in some ways, I think it's kind of cool to see which epistles and things are used for multiple feasts.

The Baronius Missal has a lot of supplementary propers... Mostly for England, Wales and Scotland (Actually, this was one of the main things I disliked about it... It's about 200 pages of saints feast days that you will never celebrate unless you live in Great Britain. There are a few supplementary propers for feasts celebrated by certain places and congregations, but not as many. Mostly for the US, Canada, and some religious orders.

I think they pretty much have the same votive masses and commemoration prayers.

The Angelus Missal includes the Rite of Baptism, Confirmation and the Anointing of the Sick, I'm pretty sure that the Baronius Missal doesn't. The Angelus Missal also has the Nuptial Mass... I can't remember if the Baronius does. I think it does. Neither includes the rite of ordination.

Both have Vespers for Sundays... the Angelus Missal also has Compline for Sundays, and Vespers for feast days... I can't remember if the Baronius Missal did. I'm pretty sure both have the rite for Benediction.

I think the Angelus Missal has a 1 or 2 more mass settings in it's Kyriale than the Baronius Missal. I don't remember if the Baronius includes the Asperges, but the Angelus Missal does.

They both have the five major litanies in English and Latin, as well as a good selection of different prayers. Actually, as far as that goes, I think they're about the same. I think the section for confession and devotions for communion are essentially the same, if I remember correctly.

The Angelus Missal has a really nice Way of the Cross, with a page for each station, with prayers from scripture and from the liturgy for each. The Baronius Missal also has the Way of the Cross, but I seem to remember being unimpressed with it... and I seem to remember that the way it's laid out, each station is printed right after the other, it doesn't get it's own page, and I don't remember where the meditations were from. There isn't a lot of space in the Baronius Missal to write in the margins, and there's a little bit more in the Angelus Missal.

The Angelus Press missal does not have the chaplet of divine mercy, and the Baronius Missal has it in both English and Latin. The Angelus missal doesn't have the luminous mysteries for the Rosary... but really, all either have for the Rosary is a listing for the mysteries... there aren't meditations or anything, so it's not like you would really miss it. That's really the only thing that maybe isn't as "up to date"... but it even has the current rules for fasting and abstinence in it, and the current list of Holy Days of Obligation.

I seem to remember the table of contents in the Baronius was not quite as thorough as the Angelus Missal. That might just be because when I was using the Baronius Missal, I was more confused in general though!

The translation isn't exactly the same, but they're basically the same. The priests at my parish use the Baronius Missal when they do the readings in English, and there's only a few words here and there that are different. I have noticed that the Angelus translations are designed so that if you're reading the English while the Latin is being recited, you will be pretty much at the same pace. The word placement corresponds for the most part to the Latin.

The Baronius Missal is thicker, but not quite as long as the Angelus Missal. I don't think it's as wide, either. The Baronius Missal has six ribbons (not as nice as the Angelus ribbons... they get all twisted up and you can't straighten them out) and the Angelus press one has 5. Both are leather, but the Angelus Missal isn't as nice of leather. (Although, personally, I think it's better leather for a missal... not as stiff).

Anyway, I hope that helps. I tried not to sound too biased.

Most of the people at my parish seem to use the Angelus Missal, if they don't have an older one, although both are sold in the gift shop. The priests use the Baronius for reading from for their homilies, but I've heard a lot of FSSP priests actually prefer the Angelus Missal.

Edited July 2, 2010 by zunshynn

[Chiquitunga]

Whoa! Thank you very much for the detailed comparison, zunshynn! I have wondered about this a bit myself too. Just found this on Fr. Z's blog, [url="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2008/02/review-angelus-press-hand-missal/"]http://wdtprs.com/bl...ss-hand-missal/[/url] God bless and goodnight!

[enitharmon]

Thank you for this detailed comparison, zunshynn. I had been wondering about the differences myself.

[Tridenteen]

JMJ
I babysit the kids in our choirloft on Sundays, so I don't use a missal...however, other days during the week, I do.

And if the little people jumped over the edge one day, I just might go back to missal using on a sunday[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/lol_roll.gif[/img]

[Marie-Therese]

Thanks zz!! Man, you went the extra mile for that.

The layout of the Angelus sounds great, but it's funny, because I put a lot of stock in the hand-feel of a book...like, I want my missal to feel like my breviary, does that make sense? The Angelus missal seems a little larger but I wonder if it's substantial enough to make a big difference in the feel.

Thanks for that work dear!

[Lil Red]

i don't. though i pick up the monthly Magnificat magazine.