Eu V Usa

[dairygirl4u2c]

there's lots of die hard confederates here, and federalists, etc. seems like those people would vote, and make their points in these posts, saying how the EU is that much stronger for their decentralized power.
you have a well balanced approach, labeling the pros and cons of centralization. there's many here who are not well balanced.

[Nihil Obstat]

The E.U. uses rich nations to prop up the poor ones. If that's an inherent strength, then we'd still have a Soviet Union, and China wouldn't have needed to liberalize its economic system. It's a weakness in theory and in practice.

[Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='03 July 2010 - 01:11 PM' timestamp='1278173519' post='2137363']
seems like i always see that the EU is slightly ahead of the USA, in various polls
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29

wonder why people say their structure makes them weaker in theory and in practice? just because they are not the USA?
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No it is because these countries can't deficit spend. With fiat money, money doesn't really have value beyond what the government says it does (not to mention that it is unconstitutional b/c our money currently is a federal reserve not, not a note or legal tender of the US Treasury which the Constitution spells out but that is beside the point). In this way, (as in WWII) when the economy is bas, government can spend money and print more money putting people to work. Think, if the government doesn't have money but wants to stimulate the economy, it can scrap its government fleets of cars and buy new ones. This puts automotive people to work. This means steel has to be made, rubber, people have to build the cars, electronics, these people spend the money putting others to work and this helps the economic downturn (recovery from Great Depression just replace cars with tanks and bombers and you get why we got out of the Depression- btw, our money is still fiat money and this can be done). The nations in the EU do not have that power (minus Germany) to print their money this way. This is why Greece basically defaulted on their loans and Germany could buy everything up (now they own Greece like they wanted to in the World Wars, ironic). Definite disadvantage.

People are stupid and don't think. These "countries in the EU" are quickly becoming like our states as far as economics goes and having to have a balanced budget and not being able to deficit spend (minus Germany who comes out on top in all of this and England which wisely doesn't use the Euro). Economically, in a recession or depression, the U.S. is stronger and more viable. People are stupid and just love the europeans and don't think that is why people vote for them.

[Arco]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='03 July 2010 - 04:07 PM' timestamp='1278184031' post='2137447']
The E.U. uses rich nations to prop up the poor ones. If that's an inherent strength, then we'd still have a Soviet Union, and China wouldn't have needed to liberalize its economic system. It's a weakness in theory and in practice.
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So does the United States.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Arco' date='12 July 2010 - 11:25 AM' timestamp='1278951952' post='2141646']
So does the United States.
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I think it's a witness when you (and we) do it as well.

It's just worse over there.

[dairygirl4u2c]

even if it's a weakness, propping up poorer countries (id guess it's generally a weakness, not always), that doesn't mean that the EU is just as bad as the USA, or is socialistic, etc.

the EU still by and large, is a lot more like a confederacy, as originally done by the USA. that means we're still mostly basing their system on confederacy, or not, for the most part.

the talk of propping up poorer countries then is just a side point, really ultimately irrelevant to the bigger picture.

(i posted this in the wrong thread, earlier

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='16 July 2010 - 10:48 AM' timestamp='1279295281' post='2143430']
even if it's a weakness, propping up poorer countries (id guess it's generally a weakness, not always), that doesn't mean that the EU is just as bad as the USA, or is socialistic, etc.

the EU still by and large, is a lot more like a confederacy, as originally done by the USA. that means we're still mostly basing their system on confederacy, or not, for the most part.

the talk of propping up poorer countries then is just a side point, really ultimately irrelevant to the bigger picture.

(i posted this in the wrong thread, earlier
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I think it makes the EU far weaker than the USA. It's not really a side point. It makes them weaker in theory and in practice, just as the poll asked.

The US just happens to do it less. Canada does it more than the US, but still less than the EU... which, by the way, is the reason that we should just let Quebec go. See how they do without their transfer payments from Alberta.