God's Love For Us

[kafka]

[quote name='Ziggamafu' date='19 June 2010 - 01:25 PM' timestamp='1276968327' post='2131492']
Here's what I think: God is a spirit (albeit infinite spirit), and we are spirits (albeit finite spirits). So the analogy is flawed. A better one would be a human falling in love with a genetically engineered clone.
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actually God is not a spirit. He is not made of some thing e.g. spiritual substance, yet He does have being which is the same as His doing.

[Ziggamafu]

[quote name='kafka' date='19 June 2010 - 04:41 PM' timestamp='1276980065' post='2131565']
actually God is not a spirit.
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Logically false; God must be spirit. Aquinas did a good enough job of proving this: http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1003.htm

Edited June 20, 2010 by Ziggamafu

[Mary Veronica]

Yes please site Aquinas, but also Scriptures. God is Spirit and Being, Divine and Man.

But anyways, it makes sense how [color="#0000ff"]Ziggamafu[/color]-I don't know what I just said ahaha-would compare God's relationship with us as a human loving video games or loving something that's not perfectly human. But then I think that would conflict with how Roman Catholics believe in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ, His Incarnation, Our Redemption, etc.

[b]We don't know God's love until we've met His Mother[/b]. She above all the angels and above Adam and Eve (before the fall) merited to bear God most perfectly and absolutely within her, soul and divinity, body and blood. Whereas Adam and Eve only walked with God. And although she was free from Original Sin, somehow she interceded for mankind the same Grace in what we call today as the Blessed Sacrament.

We may not be as worthy as Mary, or as the Apostles and Saints, but nonetheless that's the kind of love we're called to bravely accept and embrace.

[color="#0000ff"]Ziggamafu[/color], [color="#000000"]I admire your true humility in seeing God as above us all, but like the testimony of the saints, it takes the Holy Spirit to foster a [i]divine[/i] humility in us that absolutely desires to be one with Christ, in mind, body, soul and strength. So that when we call God "[b]Abba[/b]," it becomes true. He is more our Father, than our human father. Forming a being in your own blood is nothing compared to forming a being with your own spirit. It is interesting how the shedding of Christ Blood, His entire Sacrifice of Himself, brought us to life in Him.

So my personal analogy, would be: a Game-Pro loving his video game characters, somehow gives them human life. although those characters may not be the master of the game (knowing every code, and what will happen and what to do), they still hold their masters affections, fidelity and guidance.[/color]

Edited June 20, 2010 by Mary Veronica

[Mary Veronica]

[quote name='Paddington' date='19 June 2010 - 02:32 PM' timestamp='1276966955' post='2131473']
I usually just make things worse when I "incarnate" into a video game.
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Awww, there there...

Edited June 20, 2010 by Mary Veronica

[Hassan]

[quote name='Ziggamafu' date='20 June 2010 - 08:03 AM' timestamp='1277035411' post='2131699']
Logically false; God must be spirit. Aquinas did a good enough job of proving this: http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1003.htm
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I don't think you have a very good grasp on what it is for something to be 'logically false' as that statement is obviously not logically false. It may very well be incorrect as regards to the truth value of it's claims about a feature of reality, but it is most certainly not [i]logically[/i] false.

"God is spirit and God is not spirit' would be an example of a statement that actually [i]is[/i] logically false.

[kafka]

[quote name='Ziggamafu' date='20 June 2010 - 08:03 AM' timestamp='1277035411' post='2131699']
Logically false; God must be spirit. Aquinas did a good enough job of proving this: http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1003.htm
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familiar with Aquinas. He says nothing contrary to my assertion.

{4:24} God is Spirit.

Jesus was referring to the Third Person, the Holy Spirit.

God is not a spirit nor spiritual

God is Pure Act. The Nature of God is His Act, which is One, Eternal, Infinite, Transcendent, Love, Mercy, Justice, etc. and Procession.

Any assertion which includes that God has a soul or is a spirit is a figure of speech, since the moral acts of men imitate God. These have there principle or proceed from the will and intellect of the soul of a man. So the figure is used to explain the Divine Nature, yet remains only a figure of speech.

God is not a made up of a spiritual substance. He is Pure Act. His Nature is His act. In God being is doing and doing is being.

Edited June 21, 2010 by kafka

[Mary Veronica]

[quote name='kafka' date='21 June 2010 - 05:43 PM' timestamp='1277151214' post='2132340']
familiar with Aquinas. He says nothing contrary to my assertion.

{4:24} God is Spirit.

Jesus was referring to the Third Person, the Holy Spirit.

God is not a spirit nor spiritual

God is Pure Act. The Nature of God is His Act, which is One, Eternal, Infinite, Transcendent, Love, Mercy, Justice, etc. and Procession.

Any assertion which includes that God has a soul or is a spirit is a figure of speech, since the moral acts of men imitate God. These have there principle or proceed from the will and intellect of the soul of a man. So the figure is used to explain the Divine Nature, yet remains only a figure of speech.

God is not a made up of a spiritual substance. He is Pure Act. His Nature is His act. In God being is doing and doing is being.
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Than there is no real misunderstanding if you present it in that manner, [color="#0000ff"]Kafka[/color]. We believe then the same thing, that "spirit" explains His Divine Nature, which is "love." Spirit can mean, the heart, and the soul, the most important essence of one's being. God is then "LOVE" which is Pure Act. I don't think anyone of us was assuming that God was a physical spirit. If there is anyone who assumes that, well now your clarifications will assist them to perceive it better. SO THANK YOU!