Lilllabettt Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 [quote name='notardillacid' date='18 June 2010 - 05:08 PM' timestamp='1276891702' post='2131018'] Was he given a trial? Did he have 12 of his peers as a jury? Did they unanimously find him guilty? Did the government find him guilty? Or was it 12 average joes? [/quote] Who appointed his defense attorney? Who collected and presented the "evidence" against him? Who appointed the judge, who interprets the law, and decided which evidence would be admitted/forbidden? The answer is: the government. Whether or not the government did right in this particular case is not the issue. The issue is whether it is wise to trust the government to always do the right thing in a matter of life or death. Did you know, the government's current interpretation of a "jury of your peers" is a recent innovation? It used to be that a Mississippi black man's "jury of his peers" constituted 12 angry white men. Remember: this is a question of life or death. Do you trust your government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 [quote name='Lilllabettt' date='18 June 2010 - 04:37 PM' timestamp='1276893472' post='2131028'] Who appointed his defense attorney? Who collected and presented the "evidence" against him? Who appointed the judge, who interprets the law, and decided which evidence would be admitted/forbidden? The answer is: the government. Whether or not the government did right in this particular case is not the issue. The issue is whether it is wise to trust the government to always do the right thing in a matter of life or death. Did you know, the government's current interpretation of a "jury of your peers" is a recent innovation? It used to be that a Mississippi black man's "jury of his peers" constituted 12 angry white men. Remember: this is a question of life or death. Do you trust your government? [/quote] Sounds like you despair despair despair against Justice. Who would you have collect evidence against murderers? Their victims? Nothing is ever perfect. Reformation is constant. Bringing up past injustices does not help your case. Humans are weak, cowardly, and mistake prone. But we make due. Wanting to destroy the system without something even semi-legitimate to fill the void is dumb dumb dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 [quote name='Lilllabettt' date='18 June 2010 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1276891388' post='2131015'] I'm not talking about what the Church "permits." I'm not talking morality here. I'm talking about what the death penalty means for the health of our democracy. Do you trust your government with your life? Your neighbor's life? Do you trust the government to disinterestedly identify who deserves to die? If you do trust them, are you confident that you will always be able to trust them? Who watches the watchmen? [/quote] Then what should we do with individuals who are a dangerous threat to society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 [quote name='Lilllabettt' date='18 June 2010 - 04:37 PM' timestamp='1276893472' post='2131028'] Who appointed his defense attorney? Who collected and presented the "evidence" against him? Who appointed the judge, who interprets the law, and decided which evidence would be admitted/forbidden? The answer is: the government. Whether or not the government did right in this particular case is not the issue. The issue is whether it is wise to trust the government to always do the right thing in a matter of life or death. Did you know, the government's current interpretation of a "jury of your peers" is a recent innovation? It used to be that a Mississippi black man's "jury of his peers" constituted 12 angry white men. Remember: this is a question of life or death. Do you trust your government? [/quote] Why do you post like this now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='18 June 2010 - 04:52 PM' timestamp='1276894375' post='2131036'] Why do you post like this now? [/quote] Her posts are art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 [quote name='Lilllabettt' date='18 June 2010 - 04:37 PM' timestamp='1276893472' post='2131028'] It used to be that a Mississippi black man's "jury of his peers" constituted 12 angry white men. [/quote] Did they have to actually be angry, or could they be just a little miffed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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