Lil Red Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Thought that would get your attention! I brought in a speaker for my youth tonight and she talked about grace, actual and sanctified, and how sacraments have both form and matter. The form is the words and the matter is the stuff. So, for example, Eucharist, the form is "This is my body and blood, do this in memory of me" and the matter is the bread and wine. So, extrapolate that to marriage. The form is....the vows! And the matter is the consummation of the marriage! So every time that you have sex within marriage you are restating your vows and you make each other holy! That is why you should not have sex before marriage! You want to wait to make the commitment and make your partner holy!! Isn't that the coolest thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Way cool Red! You should repost that on the NFP board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted April 15, 2004 Author Share Posted April 15, 2004 okay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 can i get an amen? cuz you got one from me!! AMEN!! :cheer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathgirl Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 AMEN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 What you said is true; however, the Saints and Sacred Scripture have taught us that to be a perpetual vigin is the most perfect vocation (Our Lady and Her Son, as well as most of the Saints). Our Lord Himself taught that to be a virgin should be taken on by all who can do so (which, of course, would also include a religious vocation). There is no such thing as the "permenant singe life". For gays, this may be different; however, they should just make themselves straight. God bless you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Amen to both Lil Red and Crusader! very well spoken--do post that on the NFP board as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
let_go_let_God Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 That's an awesome way to put that. I'm going to use that then next time I get into the inevitable debate about why you shouldn't have sex before marrage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pio Nono Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 JMJ 4/16 - Easter Friday I think Scott Hahn has a little quip that goes, "Sex isn't good - that's Campbell's soup. Sex isn't great - that's Frosted Flakes. Sex is holy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted April 16, 2004 Author Share Posted April 16, 2004 i like that quote, Pio Nono! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theologian in Training Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Actually, that idea came from Chris West's Book [i]The Good News About Sex and Marriage[/i] I was inspired when I first heard that from a priest, and realized where it had come from, and got to see it in context, with West's book. God Bless Alelluia!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 (edited) [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Apr 15 2004, 08:35 PM'] What you said is true; however, the Saints and Sacred Scripture have taught us that to be a perpetual vigin is the most perfect vocation (Our Lady and Her Son, as well as most of the Saints). Our Lord Himself taught that to be a virgin should be taken on by all who can do so (which, of course, would also include a religious vocation). There is no such thing as the "permenant singe life". For gays, this may be different; however, they should just make themselves straight. God bless you all. [/quote] Celibacy isn't nessarcilly "better" in the sense that it makes you somehow holier or wiser, it's actually just brings the marriage of Christ and the Church (the example for all marriages) to the flesh. hence it's only "better" in the sense that Heaven is better then earth. I would also disagree that celibacy should be practiced by all who are capable of it. The priesthood or relgious life is a special calling from God, not just what God has abled you to do. Edited April 16, 2004 by Enda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 [quote name='Enda' date='Apr 16 2004, 02:31 PM'] Celibacy isn't nessarcilly "better" in the sense that it makes you somehow holier or wiser, it's actually just brings the marriage of Christ and the Church (the example for all marriages) to the flesh. hence it's only "better" in the sense that Heaven is better then earth. I would also disagree that celibacy should be practiced by all who are capable of it. The priesthood or relgious life is a special calling from God, not just what God has abled you to do. [/quote] Agreed. Who would make all the good Catholic families? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 yeah... the big, 12 kid families need to come from somewhere... *points at self* being a priest is great... but i believe my call is to the married life--whenever that comes. but hey.. maybe the Permanent Deacon might be a good spot for me, who knows? *goes to pray about it* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 If you become a Permanent Deacon they are also celibate--although they can be married upon ordination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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