Pentecostalism In The Catholic Church

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='sacredheartandbloodofjesus' date='26 May 2010 - 07:23 PM' timestamp='1274912630' post='2118534']
Sounds like Our beloved Pope Benedict XVI not only approves of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal but is really ecxited about it!
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How could he not!!?

[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

The Charismatic Renewals roots are not in the Pentecostal religion! Charismatic merely means "multiple charisms" or something to that degree. We have had "gifted ones" in the Church ever since Pentecost. It is Catholic in origin, not protestant. Padre Pio can be termed Charismatic(One with multiple charisms) as could St. Francis and St. Vincent Ferrer. The protestants termed it as Pentecostalism, thats all. Were taking it back!

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='sacredheartandbloodofjesus' date='26 May 2010 - 06:35 PM' timestamp='1274913352' post='2118546']
The Charismatic Renewals roots are not in the Pentecostal religion! Charismatic merely means "multiple charisms" or something to that degree. We have had "gifted ones" in the Church ever since Pentecost. It is Catholic in origin, not protestant. Padre Pio can be termed Charismatic(One with multiple charisms) as could St. Francis and St. Vincent Ferrer. The protestants termed it as Pentecostalism, thats all. Were taking it back!
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You really have no clue to the roots of the movement. Originally the movement was known as Pentecostal Catholicism, and it clearly adopted it's spirituality and ideology from Pentecostalism. You have to bury your head in the sand to think otherwise.

[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='26 May 2010 - 05:43 PM' timestamp='1274913818' post='2118558']
You really have no clue to the roots of the movement. Originally the movement was known as Pentecostal Catholicism, and it clearly adopted it's spirituality and ideology from Pentecostalism. You have to bury your head in the sand to think otherwise.
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The whole concept is nothing new. Read about the early Church and you will see what Pope Benedict XVI, when he was Cardinal, meant when he said in the Razinger Report “The period following the
Council scarcely seemed to live upto the hopes of John XXIII, who looked for a 'new Pentecost'. But his prayer did not go unheard. In the heart of a world desiccated by rationalistic scepticism a new
experience of the Holy Spirit has come about, amounting to a [b]worldwide renewal movement[/b]. What the New Testament describes, with reference to the charisms, as visible signs of the coming of the
Spirit is no longer merely ancient, past history - this history is becoming a burning reality today.”

The Charismatic Renewal is Catholic plain and simple because it is just a renwal in the Pentacostal Spirit who descended after the nine day novena of Mary and the Apostles, unless you beleive Pentecost was a protestant gettogether.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='sacredheartandbloodofjesus' date='26 May 2010 - 06:53 PM' timestamp='1274914395' post='2118565']
The whole concept is nothing new. Read about the early Church and you will see what Pope Benedict XVI, when he was Cardinal, meant when he said in the Razinger Report “The period following the
Council scarcely seemed to live upto the hopes of John XXIII, who looked for a 'new Pentecost'. But his prayer did not go unheard. In the heart of a world desiccated by rationalistic scepticism a new
experience of the Holy Spirit has come about, amounting to a [b]worldwide renewal movement[/b]. What the New Testament describes, with reference to the charisms, as visible signs of the coming of the
Spirit is no longer merely ancient, past history - this history is becoming a burning reality today.”

The Charismatic Renewal is Catholic plain and simple because it is just a renwal in the Pentacostal Spirit who descended after the nine day novena of Mary and the Apostles, unless you beleive Pentecost was a protestant gettogether.
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An actual view of history says otherwise. The strong links between Pentecostalism and the movement cannot logically be denied.

[quote]Today there are Catholic Pentecostals who insist there is a new outpouring of the Holy Spirit with all His charismatic gifts upon the Catholic Church. Interestingly, a similar claim was made 70 years ago by the founders of the modern Pentecostal sects.

The Jesuit scholar, Father John Hardon, has explained the origins of modern Pentecostalism:

"As a species of Protestant Christianity, Pentecostalism may be traced to the ministry of Edward Irving (1792-1834), pastor of a Presbyterian church in London. Irving had witnessed speaking in tongues and some cases of healing in Glasgow, Scotland. He reported back to his congregation in London that if only the people prayed earnestly, they, too, might be filled with the gifts of the Spirit. Soon after, some of his parishioners began to speak in strange tongues and prophesy .... By 1832 he had started his own congregation .... 2

His disciples, known as the Irvingites, were soon followed by Quakers, Shakers, and Mormons, and yet other sectarians, who similarly preached that external signs are an essential part of integral Christian belief and experience. In the United States sharp doctrinal divisions manifested themselves among the followers of John Wesley, the founder of Methodism. The latter, as Father Hardon notes:

"...had never been much concerned with creedal orthodoxy. Experience of conversion and an awareness of the Spirit had always been more prominent in Wesleyan thought."3

When Wesleyan Holiness groups who stressed a "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" united with the disciples of Irving, modern Pentecostalism may be said to have been born.

The Pentecostalist emphasis on the "Baptism of the Spirit" seems to have been derived from Wesley's doctrine of entire sanctification. Whereas the Puritans had believed the process of Christian perfection was never consummated in this life, and entire sanctification comes only at or after death, Wesley was to insist on the possibility of the believer's achieving an instantaneous completion of sanctification at any time in this life. Though Wesley never lost sight of a gradual "growth in grace" even among such "perfect" souls, his unfortunate use of the word "sanctification" where he meant "entire sanctification" was to cause much confusion among his followers.4[/quote]
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The Catholic Pentecostal movement began when four Catholic lay faculty members of Duquesne University attended a Pentecostal prayer meeting conducted by Episcopalians and Presbyterians in a Pittsburgh suburb in February, 1967. The four Catholic participants asked to have hands laid on them. A prayer group was then established at Notre Dame University. In January, 1971, a Charismatic Renewal Conference netted 4,000 registered participants, one-fourth of whom were priests and nuns. By February, 1973, 2,000 leaders from Catholic Pentecostal groups in 13 Eastern states, Canada and Puerto Rico attended the Eastern Regional Conference of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal Movement. About 22,000 were reported to have attended the national Pentecostal meeting at Notre Dame University in early June, 1973. Various bishops have participated in its functions, and Bishop Arthur J. O'Neil, of Rockford, Illinois has formed an extra-territorial parish for the members of a "Community of the Holy Spirit" who entered into the following "Covenant Agreement"[/quote]

[CatherineM]

I'm also familiar with the Cursillo movement. All the people I know who have engaged in it have deepened their faith, but none have left the Church.

[Resurrexi]

We built this city.

We built this city.

We built this city on rock and roll.

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='26 May 2010 - 08:22 PM' timestamp='1274919759' post='2118650']
We built this city.

We built this city.

We built this city on rock and roll.
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Saint Augustine disagrees with you; but, seeing as you are a Thomist...






















































































Rock on!

[jeffpugh]

I got roped into going to a [i]Challenge[/i] weekend (Cursillo for young people). It was interesting.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='26 May 2010 - 06:43 PM' timestamp='1274913818' post='2118558']
You really have no clue to the roots of the movement. Originally the movement was known as Pentecostal Catholicism, and it clearly adopted it's spirituality and ideology from Pentecostalism. You have to bury your head in the sand to think otherwise.
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The authentic charismatic movement began on Pentecost Sunday, when the Holy Spirit descended upon Mary and the Apostles in the upper room... not all charismatics are the "crazies who roll on the floor crying jibba jabba." You like to generalize everything and everybody...


...besides that, where do the protestant-pentacostals have their roots? they themselves cannot deny that they received Christianity from the One True Faith...all roads lead to and from Rome...

Edited May 27, 2010 by dominicansoul

[Selah]

[quote]You like to generalize everything and everybody...[/quote]

And in other news, water found to be wet...

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='dominicansoul' date='26 May 2010 - 10:57 PM' timestamp='1274929031' post='2118857']
The authentic charismatic movement began on Pentecost Sunday, when the Holy Spirit descended upon Mary and the Apostles in the upper room... not all charismatics are the "crazies who roll on the floor crying jibba jabba." You like to generalize everything and everybody...[/quote]

Yes the authentic one, I agree. The modern movement by that name is not connected with the authentic one, it is connected with Pentecostal heresy. Lately you like to hate on me personally.


[quote name='dominicansoul' date='26 May 2010 - 10:57 PM' timestamp='1274929031' post='2118857']...besides that, where do the protestant-pentacostals have their roots? [/quote]

rebellion and heresy.


[quote name='dominicansoul' date='26 May 2010 - 10:57 PM' timestamp='1274929031' post='2118857']they themselves cannot deny that they received Christianity from the One True Faith...[/quote]

Well they do deny that. That's an easy error to slip into when one already denies the One True Faith.


[quote name='dominicansoul' date='26 May 2010 - 10:57 PM' timestamp='1274929031' post='2118857']all roads lead to and from Rome...
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I don't think that saying can really be applied to the Church. The Church walks down the one narrow path, the one that matters most, those that abandon her along the way have cut themselves from the Ark of Salvation.

Edited May 27, 2010 by KnightofChrist

[Laudate_Dominum]

I completely disagree with all of my posts in this thread.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='27 May 2010 - 01:12 AM' timestamp='1274940758' post='2118956']
I completely disagree with all of my posts in this thread.
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[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='27 May 2010 - 02:12 AM' timestamp='1274940758' post='2118956']
I completely disagree with all of my posts in this thread.
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I completely disagree with that disagreement.