Draw Pope Pius V Day

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='26 May 2010 - 12:57 AM' timestamp='1274849844' post='2118056']
I suppose it's possible. I trust Jurgens though- it's clear to me that he's a real scholar. If he believes it, I know it's for a reason, and since I've seen no contrary evidence, I stick with him.[/quote]
The Dollinger hypothesis has been shredded in recent decades. The contemporary Hippolytus discussion is a bit more involved than it was at the time when Jurgens was compiling his popular volumes. If you are interested in the subject I could provide a bibliography of contrary evidence. I've read a lot on the topic because Hippolytan issues became important to me in relation to the fabrication of the novus ordo Mass.

[Apotheoun]

Some information on Hippolytus: [url="http://books.google.com/books?id=0umDqPOf2L8C&lpg=PP1&dq=The%20Easter%20Computus%20and%20the%20Origins%20of%20the%20Christian%20Era&pg=PA120#v=onepage&q&f=false"]The Easter Computus and the Origins of the Christian Era[/url]

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='26 May 2010 - 11:05 AM' timestamp='1274889930' post='2118183']
The Dollinger hypothesis has been shredded in recent decades. The contemporary Hippolytus discussion is a bit more involved than it was at the time when Jurgens was compiling his popular volumes. If you are interested in the subject I could provide a bibliography of contrary evidence. I've read a lot on the topic because Hippolytan issues became important to me in relation to the fabrication of the novus ordo Mass.
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Harsh.
Lawl.

So the evidence leans more towards him not being an antipope?

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='26 May 2010 - 10:24 AM' timestamp='1274891076' post='2118195']
Harsh.
Lawl.

So the evidence leans more towards him not being an antipope?
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It is probably better to simply say that . . . scholars differ on how to understand the available (and quite limited) evidence.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='26 May 2010 - 12:05 PM' timestamp='1274889930' post='2118183']
The Dollinger hypothesis has been shredded in recent decades. The contemporary Hippolytus discussion is a bit more involved than it was at the time when Jurgens was compiling his popular volumes. If you are interested in the subject I could provide a bibliography of contrary evidence. I've read a lot on the topic because Hippolytan issues became important to me in relation to the fabrication of the novus ordo Mass.
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Amazing what you stumble over when you're on a mission. Shows how it's all tied together, eh?

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='26 May 2010 - 10:05 AM' timestamp='1274889930' post='2118183']
The Dollinger hypothesis has been shredded in recent decades. The contemporary Hippolytus discussion is a bit more involved than it was at the time when Jurgens was compiling his popular volumes. If you are interested in the subject I could provide a bibliography of contrary evidence. I've read a lot on the topic because Hippolytan issues became important to me in relation to the fabrication of the novus ordo Mass.
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I'd be interested too

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='26 May 2010 - 12:16 PM' timestamp='1274890562' post='2118190']
Some information on Hippolytus: [url="http://books.google.com/books?id=0umDqPOf2L8C&lpg=PP1&dq=The%20Easter%20Computus%20and%20the%20Origins%20of%20the%20Christian%20Era&pg=PA120#v=onepage&q&f=false"]The Easter Computus and the Origins of the Christian Era[/url]
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Woot @ Brent, Stewart-Sykes, Carrato, Bradshaw, et al., but for those who aren't highly interested and don't want to read volumes of material I'd recommend an issue of SVTQ from a few years back dedicated to the topic. I'll be more specific in a minute...

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='26 May 2010 - 10:30 AM' timestamp='1274891400' post='2118201']
Woot @ Brent, Stewart-Sykes, Carrato, Bradshaw, et al., but for those who aren't highly interested and don't want to read volumes of material I'd recommend an issue of SVTQ from a few years back dedicated to the topic. I'll be more specific in a minute...
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I believe that this is the issue you are referring to: [url="http://www.svspress.com/product_info.php?products_id=2835"]St Vladimir's Theological Quarterly, vol. 48, no. 2-3 (2004)[/url]

[Laudate_Dominum]

The SVTQ article I mentioned:

[url="http://www.svspress.com/product_info.php?products_id=2835"]St. Vladimir's Theological Quarterly, Vol. 48, no. 2-3 (2004)[/url]

Baldovin had a summary article in [i]Theological Studies[/i] just before that. Here are some of the more important books.

[url="http://www.amazon.com/Hippolytus-Roman-Church-Third-Century/dp/9004102450/"]Allen Brent, [i]Hippolytus and the Roman Church in the Third Century[/i][/url]

[url="http://www.amazon.com/Hippolytus-between-East-West-Commentaries/dp/0199246963/"]J.A. Cerrato, [i]Hippolytus Between East and West[/i][/url]

[url="http://www.amazon.com/Apostolic-Tradition-Vladimirs-Seminary-Patristics/dp/0881412333/"]Alistair Stewart-Sykes, [i]Hippolytus: On the Apostolic Tradition[/i][/url]

[url="http://www.amazon.com/Apostolic-Tradition-Commentary-Hermeneia-Historical/dp/0800660463/"]Paul F. Bradshaw, et al., [i]The Apostolic Tradition: A Commentary[/i][/url]

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='26 May 2010 - 12:39 PM' timestamp='1274891963' post='2118207']
I believe that this is the issue you are referring to: [url="http://www.svspress.com/product_info.php?products_id=2835"]St Vladimir's Theological Quarterly, vol. 48, no. 2-3 (2004)[/url]
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Yes, thanks. I was putting together other links so you beat me. I added your link to my previous post since I just gave the reference without a link to a page where the volume can be purchased.

[Apotheoun]

I have subscribed to SVTQ for 3 years now. It is an excellent theological journal.

Edited May 26, 2010 by Apotheoun

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='26 May 2010 - 12:49 PM' timestamp='1274892592' post='2118215']
I have subscribed to SVTQ for 3 years now. It is an excellent theological journal.
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Amen. I no longer subscribe to any journals and I've never subscribed to SVTQ but I do purchase individual issues if I'm particularly interested in something (like that Hippolytus issue which I scooped up instantly back in the day). What other journals to you subscribe to? Now I'm all curious. lawl.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='26 May 2010 - 10:56 AM' timestamp='1274893006' post='2118220']
Amen. I no longer subscribe to any journals and I've never subscribed to SVTQ but I do purchase individual issues if I'm particularly interested in something (like that Hippolytus issue which I scooped up instantly back in the day). What other journals to you subscribe to? Now I'm all curious. lawl.
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Just one other: The Greek Orthodox Theological Review

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='26 May 2010 - 01:01 PM' timestamp='1274893272' post='2118224']
Just one other: The Greek Orthodox Theological Review
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Fascinating.