I Need To Come Up With A List, Can You Help?

[HolyPhoenix]

I am trying to find a list of all Marian feasts that are in the tridentine rite, and their dates. I was wondering if anyone had any dates they knew?

Thanks,

Fide's Jack's little bro

[zunshynn]

[quote name='HolyPhoenix' date='25 May 2010 - 06:13 PM' timestamp='1274832838' post='2117706']
I am trying to find a list of all Marian feasts that are in the tridentine rite, and their dates. I was wondering if anyone had any dates they knew?

Thanks,

Fide's Jack's little bro
[/quote]

These are feasts on the 1962 Calendar:

Annunciation : March 25
Our Lady of Lourdes : February 11
Assumption : August 15
*Vigil of the Assumption : August 14
Dedication of Our Lady of the Snows (St. Mary Major) : August 5
Immaculate Conception : December 8
Immaculate Heart : August 22
Motherhood of the Blessed Virgin Mary : October 11
Our Lady of Mt. Carmel : July 16
The Holy Name of Mary : September 12
Nativity of Our Lady : September 8
Presentation of Our Lady : November 21
Purification of the Blessed Virgin Mary : February 2
Queenship of Mary : May 31
Our Lady of Ransom : September 24
Our Lady of La Salette : September 19
Refuge of Sinners, Immaculate Heart of Mary : October 20
Our Lady of the Rosary : October 7
Seven Sorrows of Our Lady : Friday in Passion Week and September 15
Visitation of Our Lady : July 2

[Fidei Defensor]

http://www.mycatholicsource.com/mcs/pc/the_Blessed_Virgin/marian_feasts.htm

[zunshynn]

There are also a number of feasts that were celebrated in certain places... this is what is listed in my Missal:

Espousals of the Blessed Virgin Mary : January 23
Our Lady of Good Counsel : April 26
Our Lady of Guadalupe : December 12
Our Lady Help of Christians : May 24
Humility of the Blessed Virgin Mary : December 11
Interior Life of the Blessed Virgin Mary : April 12
Our Lady, Mediatrix of All Graces : May 31
Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal : November 27
Most Pure Heart of Mary : Second Saturday after Corpus Christi
Our Lady, Mother of the Divine Shepherd : May 12
Our Lady of Perpetual Help : June 27
Our Lady of the Pillar : October 12
Our Lady, Queen of Apostles : September 5
Our Lady of the Angels : August 2 (This is a Franciscan feast for Our Lady... it's not in my missal. Many other orders also have a special feast for Our Lady, but I don't know what they are.)

[zunshynn]

I also have a Franciscan antiphonale from 1928 that also includes these feasts of Our Lady... I don't know if they would have been celebrated by Franciscans in 1962 or not... they may have been removed from the calendar prior to that. And they may have been feasts that were universal to the Church at one point, or they may have been particular to Franciscans, I'm not sure.

The Seven Joys of the Blessed Virgin Mary : August 22
and... it looks like an Octave for the Immaculate Conception... I can't really figure out the Latin completely.

And most Saturdays when there was not a feast which took precedence, a votive mass could be offered for Our Lady... the Rorate Caeli mass during Advent, the Vultum Tuum mass during Epiphanytide, and then Salve Sancta Parens for the rest of the year.

[fides' Jack]

[quote name='HolyPhoenix' date='25 May 2010 - 07:13 PM' timestamp='1274832838' post='2117706']
Thanks,

Fide's Jack's little bro
[/quote]

Move the apostrophe in Fides.


The Visitation [i]used[/i] to be on the 2nd of July, but I don't know where it is now.

[zunshynn]

[quote name='fides' Jack' date='25 May 2010 - 09:23 PM' timestamp='1274844217' post='2117986']
Move the apostrophe in Fides.


The Visitation [i]used[/i] to be on the 2nd of July, but I don't know where it is now.
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In the Novus Ordo it is on May 31st.

Many of those feasts are on different days in the NO... for example, the Queenship is now August 22nd. And some of them are not on the calendar afor the Novus Ordo at all.n

[HolyPhoenix]

In tridentine right the visitation is on the 2nd of July still.

Thanks everyone this helps a lot!

Oh, your right, it is Fides' Jack's Bro

Edited May 26, 2010 by HolyPhoenix

[fides quarens intellectum]

oy. too many dates to keep track of! Maybe that's why we should all stay on the same calendar as Latin Rite Catholics, so that we can all celebrate the same feasts on the same days, together, as a Latin Rite Happy Family.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='fides quarens intellectum' date='25 May 2010 - 11:05 PM' timestamp='1274846738' post='2118021']
oy. too many dates to keep track of! Maybe that's why we should all stay on the same calendar as Latin Rite Catholics, so that we can all celebrate the same feasts on the same days, together, as a Latin Rite Happy Family.
[/quote]

Except for the fact that has never been the case.

The Ambrosian Rite, part of the Latin Church, has never used the Roman Kalendar [sic]. There have also always been different feasts celebrated in different countries, dioceses, and religious orders that were particular to those places or orders. Not to mention the different local uses (such of the Sarum Use and that of Lyons) that had their own kalednars.

[fides' Jack]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='25 May 2010 - 11:10 PM' timestamp='1274847010' post='2118022']
Except for the fact that has never been the case.

The Ambrosian Rite, part of the Latin Church, has never used the Roman Kalendar [sic]. There have also always been different feasts celebrated in different countries, dioceses, and religious orders that were particular to those places or orders. Not to mention the different local uses (such of the Sarum Use and that of Lyons) that had their own kalednars.
[/quote]

Alright, dude. You've proven that you are knowledgeable in the history and beliefs of the Church. We don't need to argue absolutely everything. Her point is valid, that as "Catholics" we really should be unified. It would be nice to add "one calendar," to "One Faith, one Church, one Baptism."

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='25 May 2010 - 11:10 PM' timestamp='1274847010' post='2118022']
Except for the fact that has never been the case.

The Ambrosian Rite, part of the Latin Church, has never used the Roman Kalendar [sic]. There have also always been different feasts celebrated in different countries, dioceses, and religious orders that were particular to those places or orders. Not to mention the different local uses (such of the Sarum Use and that of Lyons) that had their own kalednars.
[/quote]

yes, yes. i was just playfully messing with my brother-in-law.

As for the different calendars, I personally think it would be wonderful if the Franciscan calendar were to become the norm, but then, it's not up to me.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='fides' Jack' date='25 May 2010 - 11:13 PM' timestamp='1274847205' post='2118027']
Alright, dude. You've proven that you are knowledgeable in the history and beliefs of the Church. We don't need to argue absolutely everything. Her point is valid, that as "Catholics" we really should be unified. It would be nice to add "one calendar," to "One Faith, one Church, one Baptism."
[/quote]

There is no need for all Catholics to share a single liturgical calendar. To impose a single calendar on the Universal Church would be to deprive the Eastern Catholics (among others) of their legitimate liturgical traditions.

Legitimate liturgical diversity, man.

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='25 May 2010 - 11:19 PM' timestamp='1274847579' post='2118033']
There is no need for all Catholics to share a single liturgical calendar. To impose a single calendar on the Universal Church would be to deprive the Eastern Catholics (among others) of their legitimate liturgical traditions.

Legitimate liturgical diversity, man.
[/quote]

S'mores, he was just trying to defend me. Neither of us would think it appropriate to deprive the Eastern Rites of their calendars.

That said, I still think it would be really cool if all (the more the merrier) Latin Rite Catholics stuck to the same calendar (extra feasts/memorials for various local/Religious/national patronages aside, naturally) so that we can all celebrate the same feasts together as a family. I understand calendars will change with councils and such, so I'll try to follow the most recent ruling/ordo/etc (even if they change something that falls on my birthday). That's just my personal opinion, though, and i do hope Holy Phoenix can take it as lightly as it was intended.

[zunshynn]

[quote name='fides' Jack' date='25 May 2010 - 10:13 PM' timestamp='1274847205' post='2118027']
Alright, dude. You've proven that you are knowledgeable in the history and beliefs of the Church. We don't need to argue absolutely everything. Her point is valid, that as "Catholics" we really should be unified. It would be nice to add "one calendar," to "One Faith, one Church, one Baptism."
[/quote]

I don't think that the different calendars should be seen as a disunity in the Church, any more than having different rites in the first place should be seen as disunity. Rather, it's a testament to the richness of the Church's spirituality. For the liturgical calendar of one religious order to simply become the norm so that everyone was unified would mean losing so much of what we have as Catholics by being united in our diversity. (And I say that as someone who absolutely LOVES the Franciscan calendar and it's many unique saints and feasts!) The thing is, there just aren't enough days in the year to possibly pay proper tribute to the unique devotions to Our Lord and the Saints in different places and religious orders and different rites if we were to just try to combine them in one calendar that everyone used.

In my personal experience, having lived for a few years in a religious community which kept the Capuchin calendar, when we would celebrate uniquely Franciscan feasts, far from feeling that we were somehow disunited from the rest of the Church, I was really edified and humbled by the richness of the Church's life and spirituality, and actually experienced a much GREATER sense of unity with the Church. To think that, just as I was paying particular honor to the small part that the Franciscans played in the life of the whole Church, I knew that there were others who were doing the same for the graces the Lord had given to the Church through other religious communities, and places with unique liturgical traditions, because even if I did not know a great deal about these other devotions, I was grateful for them, for what they have added to the Church, and knew that I was still able to partake in the graces from those traditions, because the graces won by one member of the Church is a grace that every soul in the Church reaps the benefits from.

I, as one small person, could never pay proper respect in my devotions to all of the rich contributions of the Dominicans, or the Carthusians, or the Benedictines, or the Jesuits, or of the Eastern Churches, or of the people in Asia, or Africa, or South America, or so on and so forth... really to what GOD has given us through them. So I was very happy to know that I could just do my part, to give glory to what God had given me personally, knowing that I was unified with everyone else who was doing their part to glorify Him in a way which he had called them to particularly. It's not that, for example, on August 2nd, we were honoring Our Lady under the title of Our Lady of the Angels and just doing something different apart from everyone else who was honoring St. Alphonsus Liguori in the liturgy. On the contrary, it made it possible by doing so for the whole Church to partake of both devotions more fully, [i]together[/i], in different places all over the world. And at the same time, the Church does, in the Universal Calendar, give us all just a little sampling of these many different traditions with certain feast days, and gives us all a certain amount of exposure to these traditions, which are lived even more fully by particular groups in the Church.

Edited May 26, 2010 by zunshynn