Crazy Canadian Priest

[Nihil Obstat]

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Pro-Gay Priest Condemns Canadian Cardinal for Remarks on Abortion/Rape
Pro-Life Leader: “Enough is enough. It’s time for this dissenting priest to be turfed.”


By John-Henry Westen and Patrick B. Craine

MONTREAL, May 12, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A controversial Canadian Catholic priest has denounced the highest-ranking prelate in the nation, Cardinal Marc Ouellet of Quebec City, the primate of Canada, after the cardinal reiterated the Church's teaching against direct abortion in all cases, including such “hard cases” as rape.

"I cannot subscribe to these suggestions," said Fr. Raymond Gravel, a priest and former federal politician well known for publicly criticizing the Vatican over the Church’s teachings against homosexuality. "I find it deplorable that a man who is a cardinal, archbishop of Quebec, would hold views like these. It’s as if women were nothing and what is important is to save their fetus, however it was conceived. We are dealing with rape here.”

Fr. Gravel made the comments in French to Radio-Canada. A video of the priest's comments is available on Youtube.

This is not the first time that Fr. Gravel has publicly denounced Canada's primate. In a September 2006 letter to the editor for the Quebec newsweekly Actualité, he wrote that "Cardinal Ouellet is not a true Catholic, that he is not representative of Quebec Catholics, and that, indeed, he is against the Gospel."

“Enough is enough," said Jim Hughes, National President of Campaign Life Coalition, in response to Fr. Gravel's latest affront against the Church. "It’s time for this dissenting priest to be turfed.”

Fr. Gravel was responding to remarks made by Cardinal Ouellet at a pro-life conference in Montreal on Saturday. Regarding abortion in cases of rape, the Cardinal told a reporter: “The child is not responsible for how he was conceived, it is the aggressor who is responsible. We can see him (the child) as another victim.”

In contrast, Fr. Gravel told Radio-Canada that, while he is against abortion, "when it is a case of rape, it is already a heavy burden for a woman to carry, without criminalizing her action when she aborts.

"I have a bit of difficulty with that. It’s as if one is condemning a person twice over,” he added.

Fr. Gravel has continued to serve as an active priest in the Diocese of Joliette despite repeated and public statements opposing Church teaching on fundamental moral issues.

For instance, in 2003, Gravel criticized the Vatican's stand on the issue of homosexuality. In a piece for La Presse, he said that the Church "is discriminatory, hurtful and offensive, not only for homosexuals."

Then in 2004, Fr. Gravel declared his support for abortion on Quebec radio. "I am pro-choice and there is not a bishop on earth that will prevent me from receiving Communion, not even the pope," he told Radio-Canada.

In 2006, he was leader and spokesman for a group of 19 priests who signed a letter against the Church's teaching on the immorality of homosexuality, saying that men with homosexual tendencies should not be barred from the priesthood. Six of the priests were from the Jolliette diocese, while none were from the Archdiocese of Quebec City under Cardinal Ouellet.

Later in 2006 Fr. Gravel was elected as a Member of Parliament for the Bloc Quebecois in Repentigny, Quebec, in defiance of the Vatican's order against priests running for public office.

In 2007, while serving as an MP, Fr. Gravel opposed the Unborn Victims of Crime Act on the basis that he feared it would "open the door to a re-criminalization of women who have abortions, and that's not to be desired."

"When the fetus is still in the mother they're just one being," he said. "Its only when the fetus is born is when it becomes another being, when it becomes a human being."

In 2008, he defended the awarding of the Order of Canada to infamous Canadian abortionist Henry Morgentaler, and criticized the Canadian bishops for their opposition to the award. "It does not belong to us to judge Dr. Henry Morgentaler by refusing him the distinction of the Order of Canada because of his fight for women who are living through the trauma of an unwanted pregnancy," he said.

In comments provided to LifeSiteNews, Hughes emphasized that abortion merely exacerbates the enormous harm done to a woman through rape. "Abortion hurts women. Hasn't the woman who has been raped been hurt enough, let alone to subject her to the grave harms that abortions cause, which will last her whole lifetime?" he said. About Gravel he said, "Hasn't this fellow done enough damage to the Church?"


Contact Information:

Most Rev. Gilles Lussier
Bishop of Joliette
2, rue Saint-Charles-Borromée Nord
C.P. 470
Joliette, Québec J6E 6H6
Tel: (450) 753-7596
Fax: (450) 759-0929
E-mail: chancel@diocesedejoliette.org

Archbishop Pedro López Quintana, Apostolic Nuncio to Canada
724 Manor Avenue
Ottawa, ON
KIM OE3,
Phone: (613) 746-4914
Fax: (613) 746-4786

William Cardinal Levada
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
Piazza del S. Uffizio, 11, 00193 Roma, Italy
Fax: 06.69.88.34.09
E-mail: cdf@cfaith.va
(Mail or fax is most effective.)

Edited May 18, 2010 by Nihil Obstat

[CatherineM]

Why is it so hard to get rid of these kinds of priests and nuns?

[vee]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='18 May 2010 - 05:23 PM' timestamp='1274221418' post='2113133']
Why is it so hard to get rid of these kinds of priests and nuns?
[/quote]

When Nihil becomes a bishop I'm sure he will do a fine job of getting rid of the riff raff. Until then I guess we just have to wait for them to die off.

[Ed Normile]

Is it not redundant to call Canadians crazy? Nihil, am I wrong here?

ed

[laetitia crucis]

[quote name='vee8' date='18 May 2010 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1274222416' post='2113154']
When Nihil becomes a bishop I'm sure he will do a fine job of getting rid of the riff raff. Until then I guess we just have to wait for them to die off.
[/quote]

Perhaps once you've made it to the convent, you can pray Nihil to the priesthood.

[Tridenteen]

JMJ
Fine, I will add him to my pray for seminarians program. Who has a spare cassock?

[dominicansoul]

[quote][b]It’s as if women were nothing[/b] and what is important is to save their fetus, however it was conceived.[/quote]

So, it's better to make them murderers?

[Maximilianus]

[quote] "I am pro-choice and there is not a bishop on earth that will prevent me from receiving Communion, not even the pope,"[/quote]
Good grief.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Tridenteen' date='18 May 2010 - 06:04 PM' timestamp='1274223870' post='2113170']
JMJ
Fine, I will add him to my pray for seminarians program. Who has a spare cassock?
[/quote]
I've always wanted to make a red cassock. I'm thinking about something with a large white maple leaf across the chest.

[Bennn]

[quote name='dominicansoul' date='19 May 2010 - 01:17 AM' timestamp='1274224624' post='2113183']
So, it's better to make them murderers?
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That's how satan works, I guess. Picking out a situation where women are devastated because someone couldn't control his evil lusts, to push the victim into a sin that is even greater than rape. May God have mercy upon all and thrust the devil and his minions back into hell.

[vee]

[quote name='laetitia crucis' date='18 May 2010 - 06:02 PM' timestamp='1274223725' post='2113169']
Perhaps once you've made it to the convent, you can pray Nihil to the priesthood.
[/quote]

[Marie-Therese]

[quote name='Maximilianus' date='18 May 2010 - 07:18 PM' timestamp='1274224719' post='2113187']
Good grief.
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Ikr? That was the first thing that jumped out at me. What a pompous moron! He needs canonical discipline and prayers.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='vee8' date='18 May 2010 - 05:40 PM' timestamp='1274222416' post='2113154']
When Nihil becomes a bishop I'm sure he will do a fine job of getting rid of the riff raff. Until then I guess we just have to wait for them to die off.
[/quote]

[quote name='laetitia crucis' date='18 May 2010 - 06:02 PM' timestamp='1274223725' post='2113169']
Perhaps once you've made it to the convent, you can pray Nihil to the priesthood. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/evil.gif[/img] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif[/img]
[/quote]

[quote name='Tridenteen' date='18 May 2010 - 06:04 PM' timestamp='1274223870' post='2113170']
JMJ
Fine, I will add him to my pray for seminarians program. Who has a spare cassock?
[/quote]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='18 May 2010 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1274224804' post='2113189']
I've always wanted to make a red cassock. I'm thinking about something with a large white maple leaf across the chest.
[/quote]

[quote name='vee8' date='18 May 2010 - 06:27 PM' timestamp='1274225255' post='2113196']
[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/ninja.gif[/img]
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Most of you are so geared to the religious life that you've forgotten about that other VERY IMPORTANT sacrament--matrimony. There are SO few really good men out there, and Nihil would make some woman very happy (and she'd make him very happy, too).
[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/marriage.gif[/img] I don't think any of the men on Phatmass are sorry they got married--and Slappo can hardly wait!

And, then the world would be blessed with Nihil II, Nihil III, Nihil IV etc etc. (Like George Foreman, Nihil and his wife will need to learn to be more creative about names.) I know we need good priests, but we also need good husbands. Maybe Nihil II can become a priest, and little Obstata could become a nun. A good husband is just as cool (or cooler) than a priest. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/bluesbrother.gif[/img] Look at MIKolbe, he defines cool, and he is married. (And, maybe Nihil's wife will let him wear a bathrobe that looks like a cassock, for casual wear at home.)

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Ed Normile' date='18 May 2010 - 05:44 PM' timestamp='1274222647' post='2113155']
Is it not redundant to call Canadians crazy? Nihil, am I wrong here?

ed
[/quote]
I figured PMers would appreciate the delicious irony of the title.


[quote name='vee8' date='18 May 2010 - 05:40 PM' timestamp='1274222416' post='2113154']
When Nihil becomes a bishop I'm sure he will do a fine job of getting rid of the riff raff. Until then I guess we just have to wait for them to die off.
[/quote]




[quote name='laetitia crucis' date='18 May 2010 - 06:02 PM' timestamp='1274223725' post='2113169']
Perhaps once you've made it to the convent, you can pray Nihil to the priesthood.
[/quote]


[quote name='Tridenteen' date='18 May 2010 - 06:04 PM' timestamp='1274223870' post='2113170']
JMJ
Fine, I will add him to my pray for seminarians program. Who has a spare cassock?
[/quote]


[quote name='CatherineM' date='18 May 2010 - 06:20 PM' timestamp='1274224804' post='2113189']
I've always wanted to make a red cassock. I'm thinking about something with a large white maple leaf across the chest.
[/quote]
How did this become a "send Nihil to the seminary" thread?

Speaking of the seminary though, CatherineM, isn't a guy you studied with getting ordained this June? I've got the day off work to attend.

Edited May 19, 2010 by Nihil Obstat

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='19 May 2010 - 03:12 PM' timestamp='1274299970' post='2113761']
How did this become a "send Nihil to the seminary" thread? [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/img]

[/quote]

Well, when you title a thread "Crazy Canadian Priest," we are naturally going to think of you.[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/P.gif[/img]

But, even though you are far too young to seriously consider getting married, I can spot "good husband material" in the making. So, I don't want the "priesthood lobby" to be the only one who gets in their comments.

Chances are, the woman you would marry isn't emotionally ready yet to make a good wife, whether she knows it or not. But, find a really intelligent woman--I guarantee you will never be bored, and she'll find ways to make you happy you've never even thought of. (And, I don't necessarily mean sex.)

Being a priest is a holy calling, but it is also a very lonely one.

Edited May 19, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola