Thumb's Down: Mass. Church To Help Find School For Gays' Son

[peregrinus_WA]

[font="Verdana"][size="2"]Sorry, but the Archdiocese of Boston is just plain wrong on this one:

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[/b][/font]IfI am reading this right, thumbs down to Cardinal Sean O’Malley. Acomplaint should be filed with the Holy See and Parents should removetheir kids from these "Catholic" schools.[/size][/font]

The parents may also want to look into home-catechizing their kids too ensure they are getting the correct teachings of the Catholic Church.<h6 class="uiStreamMessage">[font="Verdana"][size="2"][b]
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[XIX]

Personally, I'd file this under "Jesus ate with sinners." If the kid has two gay parents, then he probably [i]needs [/i]a Catholic education very badly.

If a gay man is shunned by every Catholic he meets, what chance does he have of converting?

[iheartjp2]

[quote name='XIX' date='16 May 2010 - 09:00 AM' timestamp='1274014809' post='2111390']
Personally, I'd file this under "Jesus ate with sinners." If the kid has two gay parents, then he probably [i]needs [/i]a Catholic education very badly.

If a gay man is shunned by every Catholic he meets, what chance does he have of converting?
[/quote]

This is the same type of problem I have with this approach. It seems as though everytime any little bit of darkness enters, the light flees. Light should overcome darkness with love.

[BG45]

[quote name='XIX' date='16 May 2010 - 09:00 AM' timestamp='1274014809' post='2111390']
Personally, I'd file this under "Jesus ate with sinners." If the kid has two gay parents, then he probably [i]needs [/i]a Catholic education very badly.

If a gay man is shunned by every Catholic he meets, what chance does he have of converting?
[/quote]

+1. It does no good to punish the child for the actions of the adults responsible. If a Catholic education can truly help this kid, then by all means the kid shouldn't be ostracized over the "parentage" so to speak.

[peregrinus_WA]

I see this as an agenda driven attempt of the gay militants to further try to destroy the Catholic Church. They have already done it with the Sex Scandal and now they are doing it again.

Once in, they will complain about anything and everything in order to weaken the Catholic Church. Again, they are using the kids as a weapons to in their war.

Edited May 16, 2010 by peregrinus_WA

[Winchester]

It's the same principle as not baptizing a child whose parents will not attend mass or raise the child as a faithful Catholic.

The Church is not punishing the child. The parents are punishing the child.

[Theoketos]

It is not even punishing the parents. The intent is protection of the innocent children.

[CatherineM]

Let's say they let the kid stay in school. Is it okay for them to be in the PTA, or coach one of the school teams? How about when it time for confirmation and the partner wants to be the sponsor?

[XIX]

[quote name='Winchester' date='16 May 2010 - 02:18 PM' timestamp='1274030328' post='2111462']
It's the same principle as not baptizing a child whose parents will not attend mass or raise the child as a faithful Catholic.

The Church is not punishing the child. The parents are punishing the child.
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The situations are not analogous. In baptism, the parents promise to raise the child in the faith, which is the main reason why it would be problematic for a disobedient couple to ask for baptism. There's no comparable promise that is inherent in sending a kid to a Catholic school.

Suppose my parents were both pro-abortion. Should I be barred from Catholic school because of that? Suppose they send me to Saint Christina the AweXomerz Preparatory High School, and then midway through my junior year, my parents join a pro-abortion group. Would that be grounds for expulsion? If so, then why? If not, then how are those situations any different from this one?

[XIX]

[quote name='Theoketos' date='16 May 2010 - 02:41 PM' timestamp='1274031694' post='2111466']
It is not even punishing the parents. The intent is protection of the innocent children.
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Protecting the children by denying them a Catholic education? How exactly does that work?

[SaintOfVirtue]

[quote name='XIX' date='16 May 2010 - 11:29 AM' timestamp='1274034569' post='2111478']
The situations are not analogous. In baptism, the parents promise to raise the child in the faith, which is the main reason why it would be problematic for a disobedient couple to ask for baptism. There's no comparable promise that is inherent in sending a kid to a Catholic school.
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The Catholic Church should not bend or yield one inch of ground on this or any matter of faith or morals. I've said it once I'll say it again: we cannot allow "compassion" to be mistaken for "acceptance". Homosexuality is obviously disordered and an unhealthy lifestyle. Further, what's the point of homosexual couples insisting on having their children admited to Catholic school? Every homosexual knows the Catholic Church teaches strongly against their lifestyle, why would they want their kid to be raised in a school that will teach them homosexuality is disordered? It is because they don't care about a Catholic education they care about trying to paint the Catholic Church as bigoted by whatever means possible. They are simply doing it to make a point to the media which will cry foul play until the government steps in and helps the "oppressed" overcome the "oppressor". And if this is not their motive then why does the media know about it, why do we know about it? At the very worst, perhaps the refusal to admit the child to the Catholic school should be viewed as the lesser of to evils.

[quote name='XIX' date='16 May 2010 - 11:29 AM' timestamp='1274034569' post='2111478']
Suppose my parents were both pro-abortion. Should I be barred from Catholic school because of that? Suppose they send me to Saint Christina the AweXomerz Preparatory High School, and then midway through my junior year, my parents join a pro-abortion group. Would that be grounds for expulsion? If so, then why? If not, then how are those situations any different from this one?
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Yes, I would say in this hypothetical situation, you should be expelled. However, in this case I believe it would be the duty of the parish priest, school principle, and school dean to first address the parents in both letters and then in person to inform them of their heretical ways. If they refuse to denounce their actions then I would declare them anathema, and have you expelled from the school.

I also believe that every pro-abortion "Catholic" should be given the same treatment: sent a letter of reprimand, then visited by their priest, then the bishop, and if all this fails they should be declared anathema and excommunicated from the Church until they repent. (We should start this procedure with politicians and celebrities)

[MissyP89]

And once again, those of us who are faithful to the Church despite the family changing their own position are shunned pointlessly. I still don't understand that. I've tried, but by the reasoning given here, people like me should have never been baptized or catechized.

Trust me, if that were the case, I would still be lost in Paganism and sin. Had I not had my Catholic foundation to convict me of my errors and guide me to the Truth, I wouldn't be here today.

So I fail to see how removing this child will serve any good. It's a sensitive spot for me, but hey, it's what I think. :shrug:

[quote=XIX]Personally, I'd file this under "Jesus ate with sinners." If the kid has two gay parents, then he probably needs a Catholic education very badly.

If a gay man is shunned by every Catholic he meets, what chance does he have of converting?[/quote]

This. We shouldn't be rejected because of things that are not under our control.

[BG45]

I think that both sides here can agree, the primary issue is that of scandal? Starting first and foremost with the archdiocese disagreeing with Rome, something that many a Saint did in the past. Note that I'm not calling them Saints, just pointing out something I'd get called on if I didn't point out.

On the one hand, it would be a scandal to take this kid in. The "parents" are homosexual, the Church holds that the practice of homosexuality is a sin. Therefore it would be a scandal to teach him, because his "parents" would want to be accepted into groups, as well as accepted as the guardians of this child. Satan would have his victory because the Church bowed to the forces of modernism and heresy. There would be much fanfare by "gay rights" groups that even the Catholic Church had accepted them at last, the media would play it up into a firestorm of epic proportions about how the Church was splintering, etc. Meanwhile, the child receives conflicting information at home and school.

On the other hand, there is a scandal by not taking this kid in. Again the "gay rights" groups are fermenting a media firestorm about the unenlightened bigot relics from a previous age. It is causing schism and disagreement within the Church as people fight one another over the issue from the laity to the Archdiocese and Rome. Some could see it as the school refusing to believe in Christ's promise that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against the church, that God has abandoned His people. Still more could see it as Catholic Christians refusing to be the salt of the Earth, but a part of it, by covering its own rear in the face of potential scandal and; I believe the point has already been brought up that Christ came to dine with sinners and scorned the religious elect. The sick need a hospital, and the Church provides it.

In the end, my own opinion on the matter does not hold any weight. I do hold one opinion that I firmly believe in this case, and that is the opinion that this situation is a true Catch-22. However things work out, Satan has won a small victory in dividing Believers and in further driving wedges with non-Believers.

[Mark of the Cross]

So if the Churches role is to be a militant judge, jury and executioner rather than a teacher of what is right and wrong, then do we leave it to the public institutions to fulfil the role of Christianity? Even though Jesus knew what was really in the soul of a person, which is a facility that no other human has including the Church, he always taught by suggestion of what is right and then leaving it to them to judge themselves.
The best priests that I have encountered will give you the Churches view and/or a parable and then leave it to you to decide what you should do. We must not forget to hate the sin and love the sinner. The biggest scandal is where the Church fails in this and someone or some other organisation does it instead.

[quote name='CatherineM' date='17 May 2010 - 06:12 AM' timestamp='1274033536' post='2111472']
Let's say they let the kid stay in school. Is it okay for them to be in the PTA, or coach one of the school teams? How about when it time for confirmation and the partner wants to be the sponsor?
[/quote]

If freedom of sin is a requirement to fulfil these roles then who will be able to fulfil them? When I was invited to become a Catholic to be a member of the RCIA team, an EME or to sweep the Church floors or to do some repairs, not once was I asked if I was free of sin for any of these roles. And I am a sinner.

Edited May 16, 2010 by Mark of the Cross

[Norseman82]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='16 May 2010 - 02:12 PM' timestamp='1274033536' post='2111472']
Let's say they let the kid stay in school. Is it okay for them to be in the PTA, or coach one of the school teams? How about when it time for confirmation and the partner wants to be the sponsor?
[/quote]

Even more to the point: what's going to happen when the kid finally puts two and two together and realizes his "parents" are going to hell? (Unless that is the archdiocese's back-door way of sneaking in some evangelism).