the lumberjack Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 quick reply. did Christ die for all the sins we committed up until we got saved? or did Christ die for ALL sins period? this does not give us license to sin as we please, and if you read your Bible, you'd see that Paul very eloquently points this out...many times. we are to be holy as Christ is holy...does this mean that we are perfect as He is? this is why we repent and ask God for forgivenness...this is why we must walk the righteous walk. this is also why once you are saved, and walk with the Lord, you can fall away, but God will NOT abandon you. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 27 2004, 06:19 PM'] this is also why once you are saved, and walk with the Lord, you can fall away, but God will NOT abandon you. [/quote] I said this once ... But anyway, while God will never abandon you, that doesn't mean you can't abandon God and continue to abandon Him up until the very end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 sure dave, pick ONE line you could actually say something about that would make it seem like it made sense... but yet, still doesn't. *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 27 2004, 06:43 PM'] sure dave, pick ONE line you could actually say something about that would make it seem like it made sense... but yet, still doesn't. *sigh* [/quote] Deal with what I say, and don't make cheap jabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 so are you gonna respond to the rest of my questions too, or just the parts you want? love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 27 2004, 06:11 PM'] so are you gonna respond to the rest of my questions too, or just the parts you want? love. [/quote] LJ do you have a free will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 Can you use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 Why is there a Hell if we will all be saved? Why did the Lord speak of the day of Judgment the sheep on His right and the goats on his left? Why does he call the goats acursed and send them to eternal damnation are the once damed always damed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 John 3: 17 "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, [b]but that the world might be save through him."[/b] See the might, He gave us a free will to use, sometimes it is the wrong way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted April 28, 2004 Author Share Posted April 28, 2004 LJ, You didn't answer my question. You said: [quote]and willguy, yes we are guaranteed salvation, but that doesn't mean that we can be lazy...as with a garden, you will have fruit in the end, but that doesn't mean that you can just plant the seeds and walk away...you must care for it and prune away all the weeds and evil...or else, whose to say you had a garden in the first place? we get rid of the weeds that our flesh and the devil and his minions attempt to put in our way as stumbling blocks... "all things work together for good for those that love God" as I've said, we MAY fall away, but God's voice is UNMISTAKABLE...and He WILL call us back to Himself, despite our stupidity. I am a living testimony to that...and I'm not alone. [/quote] You say all this stuff that we should do. You say that we shouldn't be lazy and we should rid ourselves of the works of the devil, etc. However, my question to you is simple: WHY? Why do all this when we are guaranteed salvation? If I'm guaranteed salvation, why not enjoy myself now? Pass the women and beer! If I'm guaranteed to go to heaven, then why not sin to my heart's content? Why bother reading the Bible, praying, or helping others? I'm going to heaven; let's party, pass the booze! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 willguy, because you are called by God to be a Holy example for Him to men...that all might be saved. because Christ said to love your Lord God with all your heart and soul and strength. because a good tree produces good fruit. because we are to be doers of the word, and not just hearers. thats why. --------------- and Jason... just forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 27 2004, 11:54 PM'] willguy, because you are called by God to be a Holy example for Him to men...that all might be saved. because Christ said to love your Lord God with all your heart and soul and strength. because a good tree produces good fruit. because we are to be doers of the word, and not just hearers. thats why. --------------- and Jason... just forget it. [/quote] But the thing is, not everyone [b]follows the call[/b]. There are many people who would take advantage of the [b]Fire Insurance[/b] deal, and just continue on in their inmoral ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 I'm still waiting on the reply to my post at the top of the page, Paladin... I'll wait for those to be answered before I proceed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 28 2004, 12:07 AM'] I'm still waiting on the reply to my post at the top of the page, Paladin... I'll wait for those to be answered before I proceed. [/quote] But they HAVE been answered! Did you even read what's been said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Indeed, it is the doers and not the hearers that are justified (Romans 2:13) We should think Lumber that your formula of salvation pretty much leaves out half the story. [quote]And his commandment is this: we should believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, [b][u]and love one another just as he commanded us[/u][/b]. Those [b]who [i]keep[/i] his commandments[u] remain in him[/u], and he in them[/b], and the way we know that he remains in us is from the Spirit that he gave us. 1 John 3:23-24[/quote] Clearly then we are called to love and it is by our love that we [b]remain[/b] in Him. Indeed, those that do not love [b]remain in death[/b] (v. 14). And from verse 7 we know that acting righteous (being doers of the word) is what makes us righteous. Therefore, we do good so as to be righteous and perfect before the Lord without which there is no salvation. We can be sure that we aren't free to sin and contrary to what Luther said, deliberate and unrepented sin can invoke God's wrath and judgement. [quote] [b]If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth[/b], there no longer remains sacrifice for sins [b]but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries[/b]. Anyone who rejects the law of Moses is put to death without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Do you not think that a much worse punishment is due the one who has contempt for the Son of God, [b][u]considers unclean the covenant-blood by which he was consecrated[/u][/b], and insults the spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:26-29[/quote] Verse 29 is particularly fatal to any adherents of OSAS and it is obvious why. But the authors probably didn't actually mean any of the things said above - in fact they probably meant the opposite. To reach a conclusion consistent with what the text says would probably be violating the context - or however lumber likes to put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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