HomeTeamFamily Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 what is the point of confessing your sins if you are already saved and going to heaven?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 [quote]what is the point of confessing your sins if you are already saved and going to heaven??[/quote] nice one lanky! we repent of sins to remain righteous in our walk. saved? yes...that doesn't mean that we are not going to ever sin again...it means we are not bound by it any more... but ultimately, the Lord knows our heart and that we will fall, that does not mean He will abandon us because of a moment of weakness. the Lord knows our heart, and that we want to live for Him, and wants us to live holy...there is never such a thing as a "last chance" with God...if there were, there would be NO Christians out there. one question for you: if I think a bad thought then die, having lived a life righteous before God, will I go to heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 26 2004, 06:27 PM'] we repent of sins to remain righteous in our walk. [/quote] So if we don't, we don't remain righteous! We can't go to heaven if we're not righteous in God's eyes! [quote]saved? yes...that doesn't mean that we are not going to ever sin again...it means we are not bound by it any more... but ultimately, the Lord knows our heart and that we will fall, that does not mean He will abandon us because of a moment of weakness.[/quote] No, the Lord won't abandon us, but we choose to abandon Him when we commit a mortal sin. That doesn't mean He won't take us back, but we have to truly repent first. [quote]the Lord knows our heart, and that we want to live for Him, and wants us to live holy...there is never such a thing as a "last chance" with God...if there were, there would be NO Christians out there.[/quote] True, God knows our heart, but we still have to do our part, namely, turning from sin and doing what is right. And as for this no last chance business, one day we'll all die. And once we die, it will be too late to repent. So one day we'll all get a last chance -- some more than others. [quote]one question for you: if I think a bad thought then die, having lived a life righteous before God, will I go to heaven?[/quote] If you willfully submitted to it and if it was of a gravely sinful nature, such as a lustful thought, then if you had no chance to repent first, you'd go to hell. However you may have lived your life previously would mean nothing. Only one mortal sin is sufficient to keep one out of heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 im not one to judge whether you would go to heaven eventually (whole other debate lol) or hell.....i believe in a merciful God who would have justice be served ok i think you are missing the point.....you claim that once you are saved you are always saved, and thus, going to heaven.....my contention is that if there is no way that you could become "unsaved", if you will, or "extra saved" then what good does confessing your sins and repenting do......its not going to get you to heaven faster or slower because you are saved regardless......on a similar line of thinking, why do you not just kill a person if they annoy you or do something you dont like...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 bumpitty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted April 27, 2004 Author Share Posted April 27, 2004 [quote]we repent of sins to remain righteous in our walk. [/qutote] What's the point in remaining righteous? What's the point in any of it if we are guaranteed salvation? [quote]if I think a bad thought then die, having lived a life righteous before God, will I go to heaven? [/quote] Hopefully, though with a brief gig in Purgatory first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 [quote]What's the point in remaining righteous? What's the point in any of it if we are guaranteed salvation?[/quote] thats what ive been trying to get at..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 [quote name='willguy' date='Apr 26 2004, 09:55 PM'] Hopefully, though with a brief gig in Purgatory first. [/quote] Hey will quote problem alert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 its because he's been on the OTHER boards, dukin it out with Bruce, ALL the live long day! thats why he's all disoriented... and willguy, yes we are guaranteed salvation, but that doesn't mean that we can be lazy...as with a garden, you will have fruit in the end, but that doesn't mean that you can just plant the seeds and walk away...you must care for it and prune away all the weeds and evil...or else, whose to say you had a garden in the first place? we get rid of the weeds that our flesh and the devil and his minions attempt to put in our way as stumbling blocks... "all things work together for good for those that love God" as I've said, we MAY fall away, but God's voice is UNMISTAKABLE...and He WILL call us back to Himself, despite our stupidity. I am a living testimony to that...and I'm not alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 St. Paul wrote to work out our salvation in fear and trembling, have you skipped that Scripture. Or what about in Romans 2: 5-8 were St. Paul speaks of that God will repay each man according to his WORKS! Didn't Jesus speak of a Hell, did He not breath on the apostles and gave them power to forgive sins. If salvation were a "certain thing" then I ask you tell me, why these Words of Sacred Scripture. Know that the Holy Spirit doesn't waste words! God Bless Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 27 2004, 12:52 AM'] and willguy, yes we are guaranteed salvation, but that doesn't mean that we can be lazy...as with a garden, you will have fruit in the end, but that doesn't mean that you can just plant the seeds and walk away...you must care for it and prune away all the weeds and evil...or else, whose to say you had a garden in the first place? [/quote] Your analogy is an ineffective one. A garden that you're lazy about is still a garden. Just because the fruits die or whatever doesn't mean the garden never existed in the first place. [quote]we get rid of the weeds that our flesh and the devil and his minions attempt to put in our way as stumbling blocks... "all things work together for good for those that love God"[/quote] True enough ... [quote]as I've said, we MAY fall away, but God's voice is UNMISTAKABLE...and He WILL call us back to Himself, despite our stupidity. I am a living testimony to that...and I'm not alone.[/quote] Yes, God WILL call us back to Himself. But the question is, will we listen? We have free will to choose to listen to Him or to ignore Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 you also didnt really answer the question......if you are GUARANTEED HEAVEN......and nothing can take that away.....what is the point in living a life directed toward God......what do you gain from it? more heaven? what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 bttt-ity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 I don't understand how people can say that a person can get saved and never lose their salvation and yet, if said person commits serious sins, they say it means they weren't truly saved in the first place. Thus, the only way to know if a person really is saved is if they pass their whole life without falling into serious sin. As a result, the knowledge of whether a person is truly saved would be kept in suspense until death, which means it would be no assurance at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 good point dave......and furthermore, if someone was truly saved, they would not sin and thus be perfect, having no need for God at all..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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