Even Catholic Schools Must Teach Sex Ed To 6 Yr Olds

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='23 April 2010 - 05:53 PM' timestamp='1272055997' post='2098750']
God bless good Catholic parents who don't see any reason to teach children about sex in either a mechanical or crude way, but in a loving and sacred way. That is why I posted the title to the book "The Loving Mysteries of Life" when I did. It is an excellent way to teach children about family without having to ignite the passions that so many Catholic schools do. Even most Catholics fail to understand what they are doing to their children when they think they have to tell them everything "first" before others do.

Teaching sexuality belongs in the home, not in the school. Schools should equip parents with the resources and knowledge they need.
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Who said anything about mechanical or crude???? IF you read my original post on the subject I said it should be by the parents in the home, or if they are not capable in the catholic school. But to think your children should figure it out on their own is irresponsible parenting, which is what [b]apprently[/b] indicated should happen. That is just wrong, and why so many kids end up pregnant.

[XIX]

uuuuuugh.

All of these back-and-forth strawman arguments are very hard to read.

[God Conquers]

[quote name='apparently' date='23 April 2010 - 05:31 PM' timestamp='1272058272' post='2098775']
the voice of reason, thank you

the indoctrination given by my parents in the catholic faith and sanctity of holy marriage is all the resources and knowledge needed to Teach "The Loving Mysteries of Life"to our children.
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ummm... you don't think there might be some new way of communicating, or new realities in the world, let alone some more focused Catholic teaching on the subject 30 years later?

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[quote name='God Conquers' date='24 April 2010 - 12:05 AM' timestamp='1272078306' post='2098980']
ummm... you don't think there might be some new way of communicating, or new realities in the world, let alone some more focused Catholic teaching on the subject 30 years later?
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[b][color="#0000ff"]not really[/color][/b]
unless you consider the rise of STD's, or abortion on demand the new realities in the world. Instructing children in the [u]consequences[/u] of "free love" is something that needs to be included in included in primary education (at home).

Edited April 24, 2010 by apparently

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[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='23 April 2010 - 11:35 PM' timestamp='1272076508' post='2098957']
Who said anything about mechanical or crude???? IF you read my original post on the subject I said it should be by the parents in the home, or if they are not capable in the catholic school. But to think your children should figure it out on their own is irresponsible parenting, which is what [b]apprently[/b] indicated should happen. That is just wrong, and why so many kids end up pregnant.
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that is not what i said , or meant. Apparently

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='23 April 2010 - 09:53 PM' timestamp='1272055997' post='2098750']
God bless good Catholic parents who don't see any reason to teach children about sex in either a mechanical or crude way, but in a loving and sacred way. That is why I posted the title to the book "The Loving Mysteries of Life" when I did. It is an excellent way to teach children about family without having to ignite the passions that so many Catholic schools do. Even most Catholics fail to understand what they are doing to their children when they think they have to tell them everything "first" before others do.

Teaching sexuality belongs in the home, not in the school. Schools should equip parents with the resources and knowledge they need.
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I'll have to remember that book, thanks.

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='23 April 2010 - 10:43 PM' timestamp='1272059021' post='2098784']
That is a wonderful testimony and I can only hope to be able to do the same and model myself so appropriately after St. Joseph.

We have been discussing this at length at our parish recently. I can certainly appreciate the position that many Catholic students do not have parents that live according to the Gospel or hand on the faith to their children as they should. I just can't believe it is the schools responsibility to replace the role of the parents, but to begin converting, educating, and equipping them with the holy Catholic faith. We should not accept the state of our schools as a whole with a sigh of contentment and simply prepare a defense as best we can, but march with the banner of faith on the offense against its secularism and over sexualization. It is possible to raise pure, chaste, and holy children today, even in the schools, I see it done here, and it is beautiful.
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On a somewhat related note, my archdiocese has recently reiterated what the CCC says about the parents being the first educators of their children, and that, therefore, people shouldn't look to the parishes to be the sole educators for First Communion & Confirmation, but that the parishes should be seen as a support for the parents' educating their children on it. In other words, I agree that we need to educate the parents, instead of just handing it off to someone else to teach a particular subject. Support the parents in that teaching, absolutely, but not take it over completely.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='apparently' date='24 April 2010 - 08:48 AM' timestamp='1272109680' post='2099134']
[b][color="#0000ff"]not really[/color][/b]
unless you consider the rise of STD's, or abortion on demand the new realities in the world. Instructing children in the [u]consequences[/u] of "free love" is something that needs to be included in included in primary education (at home).
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Those are the consequence of parents shirking their responsibility and NOT presenting sexuality as a gift of God lived out in marriage.

[tinytherese]

Catechizing adults is certainly something that needs to be done. Unfortunately, when parishes hold events like a speaker coming to talk about the ethical Catholic voting, faith sharing, and other catechetical events for adults that not many usually come. Some people claim that the scheduling is bad. I don't know if that's just an excuse for some, they truly are busy with taking their kids here and there and have other commitments, or what. Motivation just might be the problem.

[Ed Normile]

I am going to be 50 years old this July, when I was young I was never told about body parts outside of school. I learned of the reproductive system in school, a catholic school, it was a medical type explanation. My dad was not into the whole father chat thing, it was the same with my mom, my dad had the "talk" with me when I was 16 years old! lol I was exposed to much of this by an older cousin when I was 11-12 years old, he even had reference materials like playboy magazines, this was obviously a poor introduction to sexual topics, it leaves young men with a false expectation of what sex is for and how God intended you to use this gift.

My son and I had the talk starting when he was ten years old, he had friends who were dating at that age, a school counselor sent a paper home asking us as parents why we did not want our son going on dates at ten years old. I had the talk as I overheard him and a friend talking about another friend making out with a girl from their class. I explained sex to my son, and its use intended by God, I added that the consequences of of casual sex with another for just the good feelings and what it could lead too, I explained that he should abstain until he is ready to create a life that he would be there to take care of until that child reached adulthood. I also explained that if he got the wrong type of girl pregnant, not alluding that a girl who has sex is a bad girl, rather that a girl with no moral objections to abortion who becomes pregnant is likely to have the child aborted leaving him culpable in the killing of a human life. I feel this approach worked just fine, my son is a level headed 22 yeard old heterosexual male in a good relationship with a good catholic girl, they go out with friends inculding his sister and her brothers and sisters as chaperones, basically my prayers and those of my wife were answered. My 19 year old daughter is in the same situation with a young catholic man she is engaged too, more answered prayers. By the way when the school started to get interested in my sons sexual/dating life, that is when we , or rather my wife, homeschooled our children.

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[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='22 April 2010 - 03:24 PM' timestamp='1271975046' post='2098238']
Thank you.

I don't think teaching 1st graders about the differences between genitalia is "teaching sex ed." They're body parts, just like the rest. Why should they not know about them? It's only teaching them that they shouldn't talk about them and be ashamed of them.

Fearing knowledge is silly. Repressing it is a great way to control the masses.
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i like this.


[quote name='Resurrexi' date='22 April 2010 - 03:35 PM' timestamp='1271975708' post='2098244']
Spreading false knowledge is an equally successful way to control the masses.
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and there is the pitch...

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='22 April 2010 - 04:16 PM' timestamp='1271978165' post='2098264']
Oh, i'm sorry. What is it you call that thing between your legs? I would hate to teach the kids that it's called a penis.
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homerun!!!
[quote name='cmotherofpirl']So you think children should not know the names of their own body parts? Do you think we honor our bodys [ the Creation of God] by telling them they have a pee-pee? Do you really think toddlers have never discovered their genitalia once they are out of diapers?
Unless your children were never out of the house and locked up 24/7 and never had another conversation with another teenager ever, they do learn about these things whether you like it or not. Its better they learn of these things in the context of their family but considering how incapable most parents are in talking about sexuality, I prefer they learn it in a catholic school setting than from their ignorant friends. There is a difference between burying your head in the sand and pretending this stuff doesn't exist and explaining it in a preemptive way in the proper religious and moral context.
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i really like your posting in this thread. completely inflammatory headline. teaching kids what their body parts are is pretty reasonable, and a good chance to say "dont let people touch you there" if that hasnt already been covered.

[quote name='notardillacid' date='22 April 2010 - 09:13 PM' timestamp='1271996012' post='2098396']
Funny how J_lol never posts in any thread in which Canada is portrayed in a negative light.
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oh, go play in traffic. this grudge you are nursing is annoying me.

didnt even know this thread was about canada(didnt notice the ontario subtext) until someone told me you "called me out", and i wasnt particularily interested in the subject matter.

still, i agree with Cmom in this thread. id rather not leave kids knowledge about sex up to the 3rd hand knowledge from their classmates.

Edited April 24, 2010 by Jesus_lol

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='apparently' date='23 April 2010 - 05:15 PM' timestamp='1272053758' post='2098735']
teaching my kids porno is not my idea of parenting. It might be a better idea to be teaching them the Rosary in school.
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Again a strawman argument as nobody said anything about porn in this thread but you. Teaching girls they have vulvas and boys they have a penis and testicles is not porn but basic anatomy. Do you call your mouth a pie hole and your eyes peepers?Calling a body part anything but its actual name is dishonoring the God who MADE THOSE parts. Human sexuality is a gift from God, and letting the prevalent culture teach it as opposed to a parents God-given duty is an abdication of parental responsibility. Ignorance is not bliss, ignorance can ruin your live or kill you.
Catholicism is an incarnational religion, we do not hate our bodies or think they are evil. Maybe you should read the Theology of the Body, it comes highly recommended by a good author

[Hassan]

[quote name='apparently' date='23 April 2010 - 06:18 PM' timestamp='1272061116' post='2098810']
my mom (God rest her soul) taught me by example...
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uh oh....