Even Catholic Schools Must Teach Sex Ed To 6 Yr Olds

[Marie-Therese]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='22 April 2010 - 12:10 AM' timestamp='1271909423' post='2097775']
I should. HEY! We can start a Phatmass Commune in Alabama!!! It would be epic.
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iawtc

Will stop hijacking thread now.

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='22 April 2010 - 12:10 AM' timestamp='1271909423' post='2097775']
I should. HEY! We can start a Phatmass Commune in Alabama!!! It would be epic.
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ooo I'm game.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Winchester' date='21 April 2010 - 08:49 PM' timestamp='1271897393' post='2097660']
Violent revolution: Now justifiable in Canada.
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Lawl. You're right. Maybe a bunch of us will all get up and get our hunting licenses.

[quote name='zunshynn' date='21 April 2010 - 11:59 PM' timestamp='1271908749' post='2097762']
Maybe you should just move.
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Lawl. There's no where left to go to...

[quote name='Marie-Therese' date='22 April 2010 - 12:07 AM' timestamp='1271909272' post='2097771']
[size="1"]You should move to Alabama and be cool. [/size]
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Lullz. Nice place.

[quote name='zunshynn' date='22 April 2010 - 12:10 AM' timestamp='1271909423' post='2097775']
I should. HEY! We can start a Phatmass Commune in Alabama!!! It would be epic.
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Yeah! Then Alabama can be the new Texas!

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='aalpha1989' date='22 April 2010 - 12:38 AM' timestamp='1271907486' post='2097740']
Things like this make me want to be Sternhauser.
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This is a win.

[Archaeology cat]

They tried making it mandatory here (so that the parents couldn't opt out of at least one year), but thankfully that didn't pass in Parliament. The national curriculum, though, is one of the main reasons I'm leaning towards home educating our kids.

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='22 April 2010 - 01:11 AM' timestamp='1271895082' post='2097625']
I think it might be time for the Catholic bishops in Canada to consider not accepting funding from the state. If they did not accept state funding, one would think that they would not be bound by any immoral state standards.
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I would assume that they follow the same principles as in England, which is that you only have to use the national curriculum if you receive government funding.

[quote name='Marie-Therese' date='22 April 2010 - 04:03 AM' timestamp='1271905427' post='2097721']
Man, things have changed so much during my lifetime. I went to first grade to a small public school (which is actually the same school system my daughter now attends) and I can remember that we were taught to recite Psalm 100 and Psalm 23 from memory. We recited them along with the Pledge of Allegiance every morning and at all school assemblies. I can remember very vividly my first grade math teacher saying, when questioned by one of the students about us not being able to pray in school, "We will stop saying the Psalms when they come in here with guns and make us." And this was in the very early 80s when prayer in schools was a VERY hot-button issue.

As a matter of fact, I still recite Psalm 100 at the Invitatory of the Office instead of Psalm 95 because I know it by heart.
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We had prayer in my small, rural public elementary school, too. Not with all the teachers, just my 5th grade teacher, actually.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='21 April 2010 - 08:57 PM' timestamp='1271894260' post='2097615']
Under the changes that were quietly released in January, Grade 1 kids will be taught to identify genitalia - among other body parts - using the correct word, such as penis, vagina and testicle. The 1998 curriculum made no mention of genitalia.

Grade 3 lessons about the differences that make each person unique will now also include discussion about same-sex families and students with special needs to "reflect the government commitment to equity and inclusive education," according to provincial officials.

In Grade 5, kids will be taught to identify parts of the reproductive system and describe how the body changes during puberty. The first changes to Ontario's curriculum in a dozen years will see students learning about masturbation in Grade 6 and oral and anal sex at age 12.
In Grade 7, they're taught how to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including HIV.
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Kids should know their body parts by age 3, and most know about masturbation by then as well. By grade 3 if they have watched any TV sadly they know not all families are made up of the normal arrangement. Many kids are in puberty by grade 5, and a few pregnant by grade 7. Nobody needs to ever hear the term anal sex as far as I'm concerned, but they will. All this stuff should be explained in the home by the parents, not in school, but sadly most parents fail to live up to their responsibilities and this is the result. Since this is a CATHOLIC school system, I expect the school to explain in every presentation that human sexuality is a gift from God and this stuff is wrong and sinful and why.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Sadly, our local Catholic middle school has sexually active 6th graders.

This problem will not be fixed unless we renew society. That must be done on the levels of the human person, marriage, the family, and culture.

I do not believe we're far from homeschooling and private schooling becoming illegal, unless private schooling is strongly controlled by the government.

The right to decide how their children are educated belongs to parents. Governments do not own their citizens and have no right in natural law or the Church's theology to determine the educational standards of children, especially against the will of parents and local communities.

[tinytherese]

This is why I don't believe in federal funding for a lot of things. The government basically becomes the dictator of these places. Why in the world did Canada want federal funding for Catholic schools anyway?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='tinytherese' date='22 April 2010 - 03:35 PM' timestamp='1271968548' post='2098175']
This is why I don't believe in federal funding for a lot of things. The government basically becomes the dictator of these places. Why in the world did Canada want federal funding for Catholic schools anyway?
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It's an historical thing.


From Wikipedia:

In the early 1800s, there was a movement to take the responsibility for education away from individuals and make it more of a State function. Thus, governments allowed schools and school boards to collect taxes to fund schools. Previously, a combination of charitable contributions from the members of a particular religious body, supplemented with tuition fees paid by the parents of the students, had been the method of financing a school.
Nevertheless, an element of religious formation remained as this was considered a necessary part of educating the whole person.
The "public" school system was that of the majority of taxpayers in an area. In most of the English-speaking parts of Ontario, this tended to amount to a form of "common-core Protestantism." This was accelerated under the 1846 School Act spearheaded by Egerton Ryerson. He believed it was part of the Government's mandate to be a social agency forming children in a uniform, common, Protestant culture, regardless of their individual family backgrounds. Although working in Ontario, his ideas were influential all across Canada.[1][2]
In Ontario, Alberta[2], and in other provinces, if there were enough families of a particular faith that wished to do so, they could set up a "separate" school, supported by the specially-directed taxes of those families who elected to support the separate school over the public schools. In practice, this gave a mechanism for Catholics to continue having their own schools. Separate schools tended to be Catholic in the south of Ontario whereas in northern Ontario, where the majority of people were Catholic, Protestants were the ones to set up separate schools.[1] Yet, Catholic schools form the single largest system in Canada offering education with a religious component.[3]
Starting in the 1960s, there was a strong push to remove all religious education from the public schools in Canada, although Catholic schools tended to maintain their religious character at least in theory if not always practice.
In the 1990s there was a further movement in many provinces to dis-allow any religious instruction in schools financed by taxes. Currently only seven of the thirteen provinces and territories still allow faith-based school boards to be supported with tax money (Alberta, Newfoundland, Ontario, Quebec, Saskatchewan, Northwest Territories, and Yukon (to grade 9 only)[4]).[5]
A UN committee has accused the Ontario Ministry of Education of discriminating against non-Catholics by continuing to allow Catholic and Protestant separate schools, but not allowing other non-Christian separate school boards to be set up and funded with tax dollars. For more information see Education in Canada and Waldman v. Canada.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='22 April 2010 - 09:39 AM' timestamp='1271950749' post='2098018']
Kids should know their body parts by age 3, and most know about masturbation by then as well. By grade 3 if they have watched any TV sadly they know not all families are made up of the normal arrangement. Many kids are in puberty by grade 5, and a few pregnant by grade 7. Nobody needs to ever hear the term anal sex as far as I'm concerned, but they will. All this stuff should be explained in the home by the parents, not in school, but sadly most parents fail to live up to their responsibilities and this is the result. Since this is a CATHOLIC school system, I expect the school to explain in every presentation that human sexuality is a gift from God and this stuff is wrong and sinful and why.
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Thank you.

I don't think teaching 1st graders about the differences between genitalia is "teaching sex ed." They're body parts, just like the rest. Why should they not know about them? It's only teaching them that they shouldn't talk about them and be ashamed of them.

Fearing knowledge is silly. Repressing it is a great way to control the masses.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='22 April 2010 - 05:24 PM' timestamp='1271975046' post='2098238']
Fearing knowledge is silly. Repressing it is a great way to control the masses.
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Spreading false knowledge is an equally successful way to control the masses.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='22 April 2010 - 04:35 PM' timestamp='1271975708' post='2098244']
Spreading false knowledge is an equally successful way to control the masses.
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Oh, i'm sorry. What is it you call that thing between your legs? I would hate to teach the kids that it's called a penis.

[Didacus]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='21 April 2010 - 08:11 PM' timestamp='1271895082' post='2097625']
I think it might be time for the Catholic bishops in Canada to consider not accepting funding from the state. If they did not accept state funding, one would think that they would not be bound by any immoral state standards.
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The government would simply find another way of forcing their agenda and preferences upon Catholic children.


Besides, [quote]Education Minister Leona Dombrowsky, a former Catholic school board trustee, noted that Ontario's Catholic bishops have endorsed the changes. But she wouldn't say whether schools will lose funding if they refuse to teach the new lessons.[/quote], if the bishops endorse it?!

Does anyone know if this is correct and acurate, that the bishops endorsed the curriculum?

[add]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='22 April 2010 - 12:39 PM' timestamp='1271950749' post='2098018']
Kids should know their body parts by age 3, and most know about masturbation by then as well. By grade 3 if they have watched any TV sadly they know not all families are made up of the normal arrangement. Many kids are in puberty by grade 5, and a few pregnant by grade 7. Nobody needs to ever hear the term anal sex as far as I'm concerned, but they will. All this stuff should be explained in the home by the parents, not in school, but sadly most parents fail to live up to their responsibilities and this is the result. Since this is a CATHOLIC school system, I expect the school to explain in every presentation that human sexuality is a gift from God and this stuff is wrong and sinful and why.
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not in my house, by age 3, and most know about masturbation or the term anal sex, if they have watched any TV
the TV set is monitored, no filth permitted. the movies are rated G, family pictures. you can call me a prude, i guess I am
unless the child is retarded, i see no need to allow such thoughts for children.

[cmotherofpirl]

[cmotherofpirl, on 22 April 2010 - 12:39 PM, said:

Kids should know their body parts by age 3, and most know about masturbation by then as well. By grade 3 if they have watched any TV sadly they know not all families are made up of the normal arrangement. Many kids are in puberty by grade 5, and a few pregnant by grade 7. Nobody needs to ever hear the term anal sex as far as I'm concerned, but they will. All this stuff should be explained in the home by the parents, not in school, but sadly most parents fail to live up to their responsibilities and this is the result. Since this is a CATHOLIC school system, I expect the school to explain in every presentation that human sexuality is a gift from God and this stuff is wrong and sinful and why.]

[appparently said:
not in my house, by age 3, and most know about masturbation or the term anal sex, if they have watched any TV
the TV set is monitored, no filth permitted. the movies are rated G, family pictures. you can call me a prude, i guess I am
unless the child is retarded, i see no need to allow such thoughts for children]

So you think children should not know the names of their own body parts? Do you think we honor our bodys [ the Creation of God] by telling them they have a pee-pee? Do you really think toddlers have never discovered their genitalia once they are out of diapers?
Unless your children were never out of the house and locked up 24/7 and never had another conversation with another teenager ever, they do learn about these things whether you like it or not. Its better they learn of these things in the context of their family but considering how incapable most parents are in talking about sexuality, I prefer they learn it in a catholic school setting than from their ignorant friends. There is a difference between burying your head in the sand and pretending this stuff doesn't exist and explaining it in a preemptive way in the proper religious and moral context.