Receiving Jesus In The Hand...not A Good Idea

[Apotheoun]

The Byzantine liturgy lasts anywhere from about 90 minutes to two hours. As far as I am concerned, the longer the liturgy the better. I love the liturgy.

[laetitia crucis]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='21 April 2010 - 08:39 PM' timestamp='1271893171' post='2097597']
It is also important to not that, when saying Mass must not be shorter than 15 minutes, St. Alphonsus was probably referring not only to a Low Mass, but to a Low Mass with no sermon and no people's Communion. If a priest were to give a sermon or were to distribute Communion to the people, the Mass would need to be longer than 15 minutes.
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With the 13 minute daily Mass, the priest would usually give a homily (probably 3-5 minutes) and would always distribute Communion as well.

The prayers were what KILLED me. It's like the Micro Machines man reading the rubrics... no joke.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2egGfd5j_k[/media]

It makes me want to vomit and gouge my eyes out. (And this is coming from someone that normally speaks rather quickly.)



So... is this something that one should directly approach (whether in person or via letter) the priest about (I know for a fact he would not take this type of concern/criticism well), or some other means...?

I've been praying for this priest ever since I've met him, every single day. I guess I've just been too chicken to talk about this Mass time thing in person. He's always pretty much "too busy", so.. yeah.

[laetitia crucis]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='21 April 2010 - 09:21 PM' timestamp='1271895691' post='2097634']
I didn't find him arrogant.
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This is good to hear.

[zunshynn]

I just now watched the video... I totally agree with the point, but the guy is weird, I'm sorry. He sounds like a nutcase.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='21 April 2010 - 06:43 PM' timestamp='1271897002' post='2097655']
I just now watched the video... I totally agree with the point, but the guy is weird, I'm sorry. He sounds like a nutcase.
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The guy in the video reminds me of Malcolm's brother Reese from the TV show [i]Malcolm in the Middle[/i]:

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/JustinBerfield1SecondFilm.jpg[/img]

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='21 April 2010 - 06:30 PM' timestamp='1271889006' post='2097545']
Starvation of ones family or actually emergencies are justifiable reasons to forgo attending Mass in the first place. I was trying to speak in general. Our microwave dinner generation can't wait for anything anymore. Too many people have excuses, excuses from emotion not reason. Many reasons why people say they couldn't wait an hour can be fixed, if they really wanted them fixed. The same is true for those that have excuses why they cannot receive on the tongue. Those excuses can be fixed if they truly wanted to receive via the norm. For example many do not like to receive on the tongue from a EM simply because their receiving from an EM. I don't either, but the norm is the norm for me and I choose to obey it, so can others.

Western Christians in comparison to say Christians in Africa and Asian nations like Communist China have actual real deadly hardships to attend Mass. The woman that crawled to Mass was an African woman if memory serves. It takes them hours to get to Mass, and their path is often dangerous because they could be murdered. Many Western Christians wouldn't last a day in such nations. I see many of us wining like spoiled children, acting as if we have true hardships when in actually it is just a inconvenience. Not that there aren't actual real hardships for Western Christians I'm not saying there isn't. I'm just saying too many of us are lazy impatient and ungrateful.

Note I am not speaking to any one person here or any where only speaking in general.
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I agree with you.

[laetitia crucis]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='21 April 2010 - 10:06 PM' timestamp='1271898408' post='2097668']
The guy in the video reminds me of Malcolm's brother Reese from the TV show [i]Malcolm in the Middle[/i]:

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/JustinBerfield1SecondFilm.jpg[/img]
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You know... I'm wondering if I indirectly know that guy (in the video, not Reese ). One of the Sister's I lived with had a friend that was a CFR Sister who left and later married a guy that was once in the seminary. Their first son is named ATHANASIUS. This guy in the video, his son is named Athanasius.

I thought that was kind of cool.

If God called me to marriage, I'd totally want to name one of my kids "Athanasius".

[havok579257]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='21 April 2010 - 11:41 AM' timestamp='1271864517' post='2097340']
Short answer, no, you should be pushing girls to religious life. Encouragement is cool, pushing is not. Pushing more or less ignores what God's will actually is. But there are better ways to encourage girls to consider and be attracted to religious life than having them be altar girls. Serving at the altar exposes boys more to the priesthood and allows them be attracted to that, and hopefully, if God is calling them to the priesthood, plant a seed for that.

And for what it's worth, I was an altar girl as well, and discerned religious life for several years, and the two had absolutely nothing to do with each other. I don't really see why a girl would necessarily be drawn to religious life through serving at the altar. In fact, I think serving as an altar girl would be more likely to deter a young lady from considering religious life.

And not being an altar girl should not discourage a young lady from a life of devotion, whether that is as a religious or not.
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fantastic way to absolutly twist something i said into something else. do you work for thewhite house? cause you can twist a simple word into a something ludicris. cause yes, i really meant lets push people against their wills to do something. cause yes, that's the catholic thing to do. cause i am all for taking away people right to choose and instead forcing something upon them.

Edited April 22, 2010 by havok579257

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='havok579257' date='21 April 2010 - 10:40 PM' timestamp='1271907607' post='2097742']
fantastic way to absolutly twist something i said into something else. do you work for thewhite house? cause you can twist a simple word into a something[b] ludicris[/b]. cause yes, i really meant lets push people against their wills to do something. cause yes, that's the catholic thing to do. cause i am all for taking away people right to choose and instead forcing something upon them.
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[Lil Red]

+JMJ+
[quote name='Resurrexi' date='21 April 2010 - 05:21 PM' timestamp='1271895691' post='2097634']
I didn't find him arrogant.
[/quote]cause that would be like the pot calling the kettle black.


[quote name='Apotheoun' date='21 April 2010 - 06:06 PM' timestamp='1271898408' post='2097668']
The guy in the video reminds me of Malcolm's brother Reese from the TV show [i]Malcolm in the Middle[/i]:

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/JustinBerfield1SecondFilm.jpg[/img]
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THANK YOU! i was trying to figure out who that guy reminded me of!!

[zunshynn]

[quote name='havok579257' date='21 April 2010 - 09:40 PM' timestamp='1271907607' post='2097742']
fantastic way to absolutly twist something i said into something else. do you work for thewhite house? cause you can twist a simple word into a something ludicris. cause yes, i really meant lets push people against their wills to do something. cause yes, that's the catholic thing to do. cause i am all for taking away people right to choose and instead forcing something upon them.
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I didn't have to twist anything. You said:

[quote name='havok579257' date='21 April 2010 - 09:21 AM' timestamp='1271863273' post='2097324']
what's wrong with alter girls? [b]should we not be pushing girls to a life fo devotion to the lord through the convent?[/b]
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I don't know what you [i]meant[/i], because I don't know you. But I know what the word pushing means, and the definition of it is not something that people should do to promote vocations.

Many Catholics are very well-intentioned in the way that they tend to pressure people towards religious life. They certainly don't intend to force anyone to do something against their will, and they aim to be helpful. At the same time, it is still often undue pressure on someone. Simply because someone goes to Daily Mass frequently, or goes to adoration, or wears sacramentals, people often come to the conclusion that "they MUST have a vocation". The best way for them to further their devotion to the Lord would be to join a convent, and we should try to encourage that. Doesn't work that way though.

That's a topic for another thread though.

And as I said, I don't think serving as an altar girl is likely to inspire a girl to discern religious. I think it would have the opposite effect.

[havok579257]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='21 April 2010 - 06:30 PM' timestamp='1271889006' post='2097545']
Starvation of ones family or actually emergencies are justifiable reasons to forgo attending Mass in the first place. I was trying to speak in general. Our microwave dinner generation can't wait for anything anymore. Too many people have excuses, excuses from emotion not reason. Many reasons why people say they couldn't wait an hour can be fixed, if they really wanted them fixed. The same is true for those that have excuses why they cannot receive on the tongue. Those excuses can be fixed if they truly wanted to receive via the norm. For example many do not like to receive on the tongue from a EM simply because their receiving from an EM. I don't either, but the norm is the norm for me and I choose to obey it, so can others.

Western Christians in comparison to say Christians in Africa and Asian nations like Communist China have actual real deadly hardships to attend Mass. The woman that crawled to Mass was an African woman if memory serves. It takes them hours to get to Mass, and their path is often dangerous because they could be murdered. Many Western Christians wouldn't last a day in such nations. I see many of us wining like spoiled children, acting as if we have true hardships when in actually it is just a inconvenience. Not that there aren't actual real hardships for Western Christians I'm not saying there isn't. I'm just saying too many of us are lazy impatient and ungrateful.

Note I am not speaking to any one person here or any where only speaking in general.
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extending masses in populated area's would never work. some parishes have one priest, two at the most. to have them doing 4 2 hour masses on sunday, with at least 2 hours between masses(this is needed to set up for mass and allow the priest to eat something with in the time frame) would be to much. not to mention, some parishes have confession on sunday's. your now talking about basically having mass from 8am till about 10pm. it would be nearly impossible for 1 priest to do this. it would be easier for 2 but not by much. not to mention the older priests probobly wouldn't be able to be on thier feet aall day. i won't even go into how to keep children under control for 2 hours. that would also be near impossible. its nearly impossible for some kids to sit still for an hour of mass. tack on another hour and you got major problems. also the elderly, the younger kids(not babies) and diabietics would not be able to go possibly 3 hours without eating(1 hour before communion + mass + driving home). so people would be either steeping out of mass to eat or would start eating in mass. also if communion started taking over an hour, people's knee's could not hold up and then you would see indults for no longer kneeling during communion. which then decreases reverence. so this just adds another problem. there are to many problems with extending the mass by an hour.

we need to have more priests, but this is not going to be solved anytime soon. the only option then becomes staffing up to 3 priests in the larger parishes and restricting smaller parishes to only 1 priest and making him have to deal. although this is not a viable option with the number of priests we have.

[reyb]

I really cannot imagine why when Catholics do some discussion in relation to their ‘religious disagreement’ they do not even bother to look into the scripture as reference for whatever they are discussing. Just like today, the subject of discussion is whether it is okay to receive the Eucharist by hand or I should be given directly to the mouth of the one receiving it.

You know me that I do not believe in the Eucharist as true body and blood of Jesus but I was once a Catholic so, let me pretend I was still a Catholic. Now, the discussion is – what is scriptural - to receive the Eucharist by hand or by tongue.

To receive the Eucharist by tongue is not biblical because it is written in Mark 14:17-21

[b]17 When evening came, Jesus arrived with the Twelve. 18 While they were reclining at the table eating, he said, "I tell you the truth, one of you will betray me — one who is eating with me ." 19 They were saddened, and one by one they said to him, "Surely not I?" 20 "It is one of the Twelve," he replied, "one who dips bread into the bowl with me .[/b]

Now, how can anyone ‘[b]dips bread into the bowl[/b]’ with Jesus if Jesus gave this bread in his tongue and not in his hands?

[Rebecca2009]

I am all Thine, and all I have is Thine O Most Loving Jesus through Mary Thy Holy Mother!

Omnia ad Iesum per Mariam!


Love this, Servus_ Mariea!



on topic:
Converted a few years ago and my Priest taught me to receive in the hand. I just became a Eucharistic Minister and I wondered about my own hands afterwards...there surely must be some particles left on the fingers, even if microscopic.

I can be scrupulous and so I didn't let myself worry about it...but I have been wondering.

[Rebecca2009]

[quote name='reyb' date='22 April 2010 - 08:03 AM' timestamp='1271941429' post='2097939']
I really cannot imagine why when Catholics do some discussion in relation to their 'religious disagreement' they do not even bother to look into the scripture as reference for whatever they are discussing. Just like today, the subject of discussion is whether it is okay to receive the Eucharist by hand or I should be given directly to the mouth of the one receiving it.

You know me that I do not believe in the Eucharist as true body and blood of Jesus but I was once a Catholic so, let me pretend I was still a Catholic. Now, the discussion is – what is scriptural - to receive the Eucharist by hand or by tongue.

To receive the Eucharist by tongue is not biblical because it is written in Mark 14:17-21

[b]17 When evening came, Jesus arrived with the Twelve. 18 While they were reclining at the table eating, he said, "I tell you the truth, one of you will betray me — one who is eating with me ." 19 They were saddened, and one by one they said to him, "Surely not I?" 20 "It is one of the Twelve," he replied, "one who dips bread into the bowl with me .[/b]

Now, how can anyone '[b]dips bread into the bowl[/b]' with Jesus if Jesus gave this bread in his tongue and not in his hands?
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Different bread altogether. That was before He consecrated the bread and the cup and gave it to His disciples.

And we receive teaching from the tradition of the church And the scriptures. St. Paul talked about this.

Edited April 22, 2010 by Rebecca2009