Receiving Jesus In The Hand...not A Good Idea

[God Conquers]

[quote name='havok579257' date='21 April 2010 - 11:19 AM' timestamp='1271863140' post='2097323']
i am all for eliminating em's, but for bigger churches it would not only be an extra 15 minutes. right now in my church and surrounding churches, communion takes about 15 minutes and that's with 1 priest and 7-9 em's. so realistically, recieveing from only a priest would add another 30 minutes at the very least.
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hmmm... I think eliminating 7-9 EMs might add more than 30 minutes haha.


I have a solution: more priests.

[zunshynn]

Using the communion rail significantly reduces the time it takes to distribute Holy Communion, and makes it more peaceful and less rushed.

Oh, wait...

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='21 April 2010 - 12:12 PM' timestamp='1271869927' post='2097390']
Using the communion rail significantly reduces the time it takes to distribute Holy Communion, and makes it more peaceful and less rushed.

Oh, wait...
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Winner!

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='havok579257' date='21 April 2010 - 11:19 AM' timestamp='1271863140' post='2097323']
i am all for eliminating em's, but for bigger churches it would not only be an extra 15 minutes. right now in my church and surrounding churches, communion takes about 15 minutes and that's with 1 priest and 7-9 em's. so realistically, recieveing from only a priest would add another 30 minutes at the very least.
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A whole hour, plus, is worth the wait to receive the King of kings and Lord of lords.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='21 April 2010 - 12:36 PM' timestamp='1271878606' post='2097459']
A whole hour, plus, is worth the wait to receive the King of kings and Lord of lords.
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+JMJ+
what about people with jobs? or people with children? people with special needs? elderly or infirm?

[God Conquers]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='21 April 2010 - 03:36 PM' timestamp='1271878606' post='2097459']
A whole hour, plus, is worth the wait to receive the King of kings and Lord of lords.
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Sometimes I wait a whole week.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='21 April 2010 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1271880157' post='2097470']
+JMJ+
what about people with jobs? or people with children? people with special needs? elderly or infirm?
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None of those things are more important than Christ, He is infinity more important than all those things combined. IF indeed there ever was an hour wait, people should plain accordingly, or sacrifice and accept the difficulties that come with that sacrifice. Also those problems existed before the use of EM's and some how the laity still received the Holy Eucharist in a acceptable time frame. Our microwave generation is lazy and has no time for waiting in many cases. Catholics in the past would walk or ride a buggy to Mass and it would some times take hours to get there, just recently there was a story of a woman with no legs that would crawl to Mass, crawl. With that kind of love and devotion and belief in the True Presence would allow us to easily overcome most if not all things that could impede us waiting one hour for to receive the Creator of the Universe, Love Himself, God.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='21 April 2010 - 01:22 PM' timestamp='1271881342' post='2097479']
None of those things are more important than Christ, He is infinity more important than all those things combined. IF indeed there ever was an hour wait, people should plain accordingly, or sacrifice and accept the difficulties that come with that sacrifice. Also those problems existed before the use of EM's and some how the laity still received the Holy Eucharist in a acceptable time frame. Our microwave generation is lazy and has no time for waiting in many cases. Catholics in the past would walk or ride a buggy to Mass and it would some times take hours to get there, just recently there was a story of a woman with no legs that would crawl to Mass, crawl. With that kind of love and devotion and belief in the True Presence would allow us to easily overcome most if not all things that could impede us waiting one hour for to receive the Creator of the Universe, Love Himself, God.
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+JMJ+
Pope St. Pius X in his infinite wisdom made it easier, not harder, to be able to accept Our Lord in Eucharistic Form.
[quote]Accordingly, his greatest care always turned to the direct interests of the Church. Before all else his efforts were directed to the promotion of piety among the faithful, and he advised all (Decr. S. Congr. Concil., 20 Dec., 1905) to receive Holy Communion frequently and, if possible, daily, dispensing the sick from the obligation of fasting to the extent of enabling them to receive Holy Communion twice each month, and even oftener (Decr. S. Congr. Rit., 7 Dec., 1906). Finally, by the Decree "Quam Singulari" (15 Aug., 1910), he recommended that the first Communion of children should not be deferred too long after they had reached the age of discretion. It was by his desire that the Eucharistic Congress of 1905 was held at Rome, while he enhanced the solemnity of subsequent Eucharistic congresses by sending to them cardinal legates.[/quote]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12137a.htm"]Catholic Encyclopedia[/url]

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=62759"]3. The Rule of Legitimate Freedom: “What the Church allows is not to be disallowed.”[/url]

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='21 April 2010 - 03:42 PM' timestamp='1271882545' post='2097494']
+JMJ+
Pope St. Pius X in his infinite wisdom made it easier, not harder, to be able to accept Our Lord in Eucharistic Form.
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But St. Pius X did not permit laypersons to distribute holy Communion.

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='21 April 2010 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1271881342' post='2097479']
None of those things are more important than Christ, He is infinity more important than all those things combined. IF indeed there ever was an hour wait, people should plain accordingly, or sacrifice and accept the difficulties that come with that sacrifice. Also those problems existed before the use of EM's and some how the laity still received the Holy Eucharist in a acceptable time frame. Our microwave generation is lazy and has no time for waiting in many cases. Catholics in the past would walk or ride a buggy to Mass and it would some times take hours to get there, just recently there was a story of a woman with no legs that would crawl to Mass, crawl. With that kind of love and devotion and belief in the True Presence would allow us to easily overcome most if not all things that could impede us waiting one hour for to receive the Creator of the Universe, Love Himself, God.
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There are legitimate reasons to require a shorter Mass. Mass is, indeed, the most important thing we can do on Earth. The laity are not required to do something that would result in the starvation of their family, or that would cause their family to become destitute. I think you are being a little too absolute.

That said, these circumstances are rare.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='21 April 2010 - 01:44 PM' timestamp='1271882680' post='2097499']
But St. Pius X did not permit laypersons to distribute holy Communion.
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+JMJ+
i am not referring to that. i am referring to people waiting (besides Mass) over an hour to receive our Lord. i agree that EME's are over-used, and abused. they should be EXTRA-ORDINARY (not the ordinary, or the rule). they should be the exception rather than the rule. but if there is a large large crowd where distributing the Eucharist would be overly long (i would argue that anything over 30 minutes is overly long), then that is when they are to be employed.

i don't know how often i could take my squiggly children to Mass if another hour was added to Mass time.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='21 April 2010 - 01:16 PM' timestamp='1271880979' post='2097476']
Sometimes I wait a whole week.
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+JMJ+
sometimes, i have to wait longer.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='aalpha1989' date='21 April 2010 - 03:47 PM' timestamp='1271882864' post='2097500']
There are legitimate reasons to require a shorter Mass.
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If one's biggest concern is having a shorter Mass, he should cut out the people's Communion completely. After all, it is not required that any except the celebrating priest receive holy Communion at Mass. As the Council of Trent decreed:

"Si quis dixerit, Missas, in quibus solus sacerdos sacramentaliter communicat, illicitas esse ideoque abrogandas: an. s."--"If anyone says that Masses in which the priest alone communicates sacramentally, are illicit and are therefore to be abrogated: let him be anathema." (Ecumenical Council of Trent, Denzinger-Schonmetzer 1758)

[Apotheoun]

I do not see how having the mass last for an hour or an hour and a half could be harmful to the laity. Why does the communion rite have to mimic the delivery of fast food?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='21 April 2010 - 02:13 PM' timestamp='1271884404' post='2097511']
I do not see how having the mass last for an hour or an hour and a half could be harmful to the laity. Why does the communion rite have to mimic the delivery of fast food?
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+JMJ+
it doesn't. and i'm not arguing for that. in fact, the communion rite would go a lot faster if people who shouldn't receive (i.e. in a state of mortal sin), didn't.