Receiving Jesus In The Hand...not A Good Idea

[God Conquers]

This thread is now like 70% off topic.

[quote]One of our priests who retired a few years ago actually made fun of receiving on the tongue during a homily and alluded to the Holy Spirit being female. That sort of trash has to go.[/quote]

Just want to stress again, the link is not between communion in the hand and irreverence, it is lack of faith and irreverence. This situation is indicative. The main problem isn't making fun of communion on the tongue, it's a defect in his belief in God.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='20 April 2010 - 07:08 PM' timestamp='1271808502' post='2097079']
This thread is now like 70% off topic.



Just want to stress again, the link is not between communion in the hand and irreverence, it is lack of faith and irreverence. This situation is indicative. The main problem isn't making fun of communion on the tongue, it's a defect in his belief in God.
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However: lex orandi lex credendi lex vivendi.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='20 April 2010 - 07:08 PM' timestamp='1271808502' post='2097079']
This thread is now like 70% off topic.



Just want to stress again, the link is not between communion in the hand and irreverence, it is lack of faith and irreverence. This situation is indicative. The main problem isn't making fun of communion on the tongue, it's a defect in his belief in God.
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Lex orandi; lex credendi.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='20 April 2010 - 07:09 PM' timestamp='1271808599' post='2097081']
Lex orandi; lex credendi.
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Lawl I totally beat you!

[God Conquers]

If the Church approves a practice, it is lex orandi.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='20 April 2010 - 07:11 PM' timestamp='1271808692' post='2097082']
Lawl I totally beat you!
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[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='20 April 2010 - 08:46 PM' timestamp='1271810761' post='2097098']
If the Church approves a practice, it is lex orandi.
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Well, not if it's an indult, a indult is a limited temporary allowance. While Lex orandi; lex credendi is universal, teaching for all, for all time. Sometimes a practice is allowed simply because the Church has shown pity on the ones who are abusing the norm. The practice of communion on the hand started because people knowingly or unknowingly were abusing the norm or not obeying the norm of communion on the tongue. The Church in her mercy showed pity on these persons so they would not be sinning.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='20 April 2010 - 07:46 PM' timestamp='1271810761' post='2097098']
If the Church approves a practice, it is lex orandi.
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The Church has approved many practices that are not part of the lex orandi. For example, the Church approves of Catholics eating salmon, but eating salmon is not part of the lex orandi.

[havok579257]

i see no proble with recieving on the hand as long as em's are handing out the body. now, if the church would make it so only the priests can hand out the bobdy, then only recieving on the tounge should happen.

for the record, i recieve on the tounge and ONLY from a priest. although my thought is, if an em is touching the body, then recieving on the hand is fine.

[KnightofChrist]

Receiving from an EM seems to impede people from receiving on the tongue. In a sense it seems that one indult, the use of EM's seems to discourage people practicing the norm.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='20 April 2010 - 09:56 PM' timestamp='1271796981' post='2096931']
If the NO Mass improves its music, does away with extraordinary ministers, and altar girls, fixes some translation issues, and moves the sign of peace, reverence will increase and parishioners will jump at the chance to receive on the tongue. Or perhaps they will feel more comfortable to do so.
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[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='20 April 2010 - 10:01 PM' timestamp='1271797284' post='2096937']
It would also be a good idea for individual priests to take the initiative to explain why the norm is and should be reception on the tongue, among the many other awesome things they could talk about. I feel that many priests tend to let these things go because the higher-ups aren't saying anything official. The trouble with that is that for many average parishioners, the priest *is* the Magisterium. Not in any theological sense of course, but the priest in many cases is the average parishioners sole link to the hierarchy of the Church.
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[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='20 April 2010 - 11:19 PM' timestamp='1271801978' post='2096993']
Personally, I like the old Anglican tradition in England (which has probably mostly died out) that the congregation attends a Eucharistic service on Sunday morning, and attends Evensong (with choral/organ music) on Sunday evening. I wish this was the custom in the U.S. The "ultra-musical" Anglican congregation I mentioned in an earlier post offers a choral Evensong service, but only once a month. And, they are the only Anglican congregation near me that offers Evensong at all, at least that I'm aware of.
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I went to an Evensong at Yorkminster - absolutely beautiful.

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='21 April 2010 - 07:21 AM' timestamp='1271830885' post='2097239']
Receiving from an EM seems to impede people from receiving on the tongue. In a sense it seems that one indult, the use of EM's seems to discourage people practicing the norm.
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True. I don't think all EMHCs are trained in distributing on the tongue, either. I could be wrong, though.

[havok579257]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='20 April 2010 - 04:11 PM' timestamp='1271794266' post='2096909']
I don't know about the average guy in my parish, but I'm more than willing to wait, say... an extra fifteen minutes (and that would be pushing it on the extreme end) at Mass to completely eliminate the role of the EMHC. We usually have seven. I say usually to mean every single week. Now, we only have one priest, and no deacons, but seven is unreasonable. Distributing Communion takes about five minutes. We're smart people- we can wait another five or ten.
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i am all for eliminating em's, but for bigger churches it would not only be an extra 15 minutes. right now in my church and surrounding churches, communion takes about 15 minutes and that's with 1 priest and 7-9 em's. so realistically, recieveing from only a priest would add another 30 minutes at the very least.

Edited April 21, 2010 by havok579257

[havok579257]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='20 April 2010 - 04:56 PM' timestamp='1271796981' post='2096931']
If the NO Mass improves its music, does away with extraordinary ministers, and altar girls, fixes some translation issues, and moves the sign of peace, reverence will increase and parishioners will jump at the chance to receive on the tongue. Or perhaps they will feel more comfortable to do so.
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what's wrong with alter girls? should we not be pushing girls to a life fo devotion to the lord through the convent?

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='havok579257' date='21 April 2010 - 11:21 AM' timestamp='1271863273' post='2097324']
what's wrong with alter girls? should we not be pushing girls to a life fo devotion to the lord through the convent?
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The purpose of having young men assist the priest ("altar boys") was to keep them open to the call to the priesthood. Young men would see altar serving as a kind of discernment.

I was an altar girl, so keep that in mind.

[zunshynn]

[quote name='havok579257' date='21 April 2010 - 09:21 AM' timestamp='1271863273' post='2097324']
what's wrong with alter girls? should we not be pushing girls to a life fo devotion to the lord through the convent?
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Short answer, no, you should be pushing girls to religious life. Encouragement is cool, pushing is not. Pushing more or less ignores what God's will actually is. But there are better ways to encourage girls to consider and be attracted to religious life than having them be altar girls. Serving at the altar exposes boys more to the priesthood and allows them be attracted to that, and hopefully, if God is calling them to the priesthood, plant a seed for that.

And for what it's worth, I was an altar girl as well, and discerned religious life for several years, and the two had absolutely nothing to do with each other. I don't really see why a girl would necessarily be drawn to religious life through serving at the altar. In fact, I think serving as an altar girl would be more likely to deter a young lady from considering religious life.

And not being an altar girl should not discourage a young lady from a life of devotion, whether that is as a religious or not.

Edited April 21, 2010 by zunshynn