Gay Cover-Up Must End

[Saint Therese]

Gay Apologetics 101, again.

As many have stated the majority of these cases were not pedophilia. Whether or not you agree with that doesn't change the facts.
Since homosexual acts are grave sins, repeatedly willing these acts weakens one's conscience. So it is entirely possible that their homosexuality did indeed lead to their actions.

[OraProMe]

[quote name='Saint Therese' date='11 April 2010 - 08:31 AM' timestamp='1270992679' post='2090892']
Gay Apologetics 101, again.

As many have stated the majority of these cases were not pedophilia. Whether or not you agree with that doesn't change the facts.
Since homosexual acts are grave sins, repeatedly willing these acts weakens one's conscience. So it is entirely possible that their homosexuality did indeed lead to their actions.
[/quote]

Gay apologetics 101 again? You haven't even addressed any of my points yet.

I'm not quite sure what you're saying. Are you saying that being homosexual means you're also attracted to young kids?

Please answer this question:

If a married man raped a 13 year old girl would you say that his heterosexuality caused him to rape her? Or would you say that there was something in addition to his attraction to women? If not then why apply that logic to homosexuals?

Being sexually attracted to those that aren't yet sexually mature is not the same as being attracted to the same sex.

[OraProMe]

"Since homosexual acts are grave sins, repeatedly willing these acts weakens one's conscience. So it is entirely possible that their homosexuality did indeed lead to their actions."

Not to mention that this is just baloney because most cases are about the priests raping little boys, there's no evidence that the majority of priests who abuse little kids also engage in consentual sex with other grown men so your assertion that this has caused a weakening of their conscience (however that happens..) which then somehow translates to them being turned on by the grade six children is unsound. If you have a study showing that a significant proportion of priests who molested young boys also regularly engaged in consentual homosexual sex please provide it or else you're just making a claim with no basis in fact.

[Saint Therese]

Once again, the majority of the victims were not children.

Since two males having intercourse is defined as homosexual sex, I would say that all these cases involved homosexuals.

Edited April 11, 2010 by Saint Therese

[Jaime]

[quote name='Saint Therese' date='11 April 2010 - 10:41 AM' timestamp='1270996904' post='2090927']
Once again, the majority of the victims were not children.

Since two males having intercourse is defined as homosexual sex, I would say that all these cases involved homosexuals.
[/quote]

All of the victims were children. Many were teenage children.I am not aware of any adult males who were victims

[Saint Therese]

They were minors, but they were not "children" if they were post pubescent.

[Saint Therese]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='11 April 2010 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1270996195' post='2090921']


If a married man raped a 13 year old girl would you say that his heterosexuality caused him to rape her? Or would you say that there was something in addition to his attraction to women? If not then why apply that logic to homosexuals?


[/quote]

I would not then say that a man raped a girl because he was a heterosexual because hetrosexuality isn't intrinsically disordered.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Saint Therese' date='11 April 2010 - 10:47 AM' timestamp='1270997241' post='2090932']
They were minors, but they were not "children" if they were post pubescent.
[/quote]

well considering that "minor" and "child" are considered synonymous, I think you get my point.

And like it or not Ora's point is valid. Homosexuals are not more predatory with minors than heterosexuals. In fact all the statistics back this up. Ephebophilia affects both heterosexuals and homosexuals. It is a disorder unto itself.

[Saint Therese]

That doesn't explain why the majority of the incidents were homosexual in nature. If the majority of cases are homosexual, how can you say that homosexuals are not more predatory?

[Jaime]

[quote name='Saint Therese' date='11 April 2010 - 11:01 AM' timestamp='1270998101' post='2090939']
That doesn't explain why the majority of the incidents were homosexual in nature. If the majority of cases are homosexual, how can you say that homosexuals are not more predatory?
[/quote]

Because you cannot examine homosexuality only through the seminary. You have to examine it through society as a whole and statistically speaking, cases of predatory heterosexual cases are much more likely to occur within society. According to statistics, 50% of rape cases are victims under the age of 18 and 90% of those cases are women. This is all from the Bureau of Statistics.

[Socrates]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='11 April 2010 - 10:45 AM' timestamp='1270997121' post='2090929']
All of the victims were children. Many were teenage children.I am not aware of any adult males who were victims
[/quote]
That's because the survey was specifically of sexual abuse [i]of minors[/i]. The cut-off age was 17. (Many of these cases involved "seduction" of adolescent boys "exploring" their sexuality.) Once the kid's eighteen, it's no longer considered sex abuse, but legal homosexual activity.


[quote name='hot stuff' date='11 April 2010 - 11:51 AM' timestamp='1271001103' post='2090964']
Because you cannot examine homosexuality only through the seminary. You have to examine it through society as a whole and statistically speaking, cases of predatory heterosexual cases are much more likely to occur within society. According to statistics, 50% of rape cases are victims under the age of 18 and 90% of those cases are women. This is all from the Bureau of Statistics.
[/quote]
In light of those statistics, why in the John Jay study of clerical sexual abuse were only 9% of the victims girls, rather than 90%?

This makes the homosexual element of the priestly abuse cases all the more glaring. An overwhelming majority of the abuse by priests was homosexual in nature, and notably little of it was "heterosexual."
Clearly the problem in the seminaries and priesthood was more than just a matter of horny guys unable to restrain themselves.

[Saint Therese]

Yes.
i think there was a culture of permissiveness as far as homosexulity went, because some bishops,etc, did not assent to Church teaching re human sexuality.
I've heard that some seminaries had strong homosexual subcultures.

[mortify]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='11 April 2010 - 10:45 AM' timestamp='1270997121' post='2090929']
All of the victims were children. Many were teenage children.I am not aware of any adult males who were victims
[/quote]

The age of victims in the Milwaukee case ranged from [b]15[/b] to [b]22[/b].

See the handwritten notes of an expert in sexual disorders who interviewed Murphy, who sexually abused some 200 people:

http://documents.nytimes.com/reverend-lawrence-c-murphy-abuse-case#document/p29

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Socrates' date='11 April 2010 - 02:08 PM' timestamp='1271016501' post='2091063']
That's because the survey was specifically of sexual abuse [i]of minors[/i]. The cut-off age was 17. (Many of these cases involved "seduction" of adolescent boys "exploring" their sexuality.) Once the kid's eighteen, it's no longer considered sex abuse, but legal homosexual activity.



In light of those statistics, why in the John Jay study of clerical sexual abuse were only 9% of the victims girls, rather than 90%?

This makes the homosexual element of the priestly abuse cases all the more glaring. An overwhelming majority of the abuse by priests was homosexual in nature, and notably little of it was "heterosexual."
Clearly the problem in the seminaries and priesthood was more than just a matter of horny guys unable to restrain themselves.
[/quote]
Probably because young boys serve a much larger part in Church duties than young girls do. If boys are around more often, then the statistics will show more boys being molested. But you can't have it both ways, here. If you want to say that molestation by priests doesn't happen very often then you can't go around trying to make the boys v.s. girls statistic seem like a huge number.

[Saint Therese]

That's not true in any church or parish I've ever been to.