Gay Cover-Up Must End

[StMichael]

http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1821

Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on two news stories released today by the Associated Press:

One of the AP stories on priestly sexual abuse admits that "The overwhelming majority of the victims were adolescents. That means very few guilty priests were pedophiles, a term mental health professionals reserve for those who target pre-pubescent children." Fine. But then it says something which is positively remarkable: "Even though about 80 percent of victims were boys, the John Jay researchers and other experts on sex offenders say it does not mean the perpetrators were gay." So what would they be? Heterosexual?

The AP article relied on the extraordinary remark by Margaret Smith, a professor who worked on the John Jay study. She said that while Donohue "quoted the study's data correctly," I nonetheless "drew an unwarranted conclusion." What? That most of the molesters have been gay? Here is what she said: "The majority of the abusive acts were homosexual in nature. That participation in homosexual acts is not the same as sexual identity as a gay man." So if two men sodomize each other, no one really knows if this qualifies as gay sex. Now I must admit that when I was studying for my doctorate in sociology at NYU, they never taught me such logic.

Both AP stories say the reason why there were so many male victims is because the priests did not have access to girls as altar servers. Nonsense. There have been girl altar servers in some U.S. dioceses since 1983, and almost everywhere since 1994. The statistics actually show that the more priests have access to girls, the less likely it is for girls to be abused.

Here's the tally. As reported in 2004, between 1950 and 2002, 81 percent of the victims were male; in 2005, it stayed the same; in 2006, it dropped to 80 percent; in 2007, it climbed to 82 percent; in 2008, it jumped to 84 percent; and in 2009, it stayed at 84 percent.

In other words, even though priests have less access to males, homosexual priests are molesting them at a higher rate. It's time to end the gay cover-up once and for all.

[Ed Normile]

StMichael, its just not politically correct to accuse homosexuals of being a homosexual just because they engage in homosexual behavior, if you do you may be deemed a "homophobic" we wouldn't want that would we, so lets just pretend its not an issue.

ed

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='Ed Normile' date='08 April 2010 - 09:38 PM' timestamp='1270780696' post='2089715']
StMichael, its just not politically correct to accuse homosexuals of being a homosexual just because they engage in homosexual behavior, if you do you may be deemed a "homophobic" we wouldn't want that would we, so lets just pretend its not an issue.

ed
[/quote]

so are you saying that sexuallity is defined by who or what you have sex with? in other words...if you participate in homosexual sexual behavior (with consent) then you are homosexual?

[Bennn]

Having homosexual inclinations are pretty much a sign that you are homosexually oriented. It was already a problem with the clerics in the middle ages. Just look at St. Peter Damian, who waged battle against sodomy and simony within the Church. Pretty sad. Maybe we could learn from this that you shouldn't pursue a priestly vocation just because you aren't attracted to women. The Holy Priesthood is not a substitute for not being able to marry, it requires genuine vocation. I think when you're gay you already have trouble enough fighting against temptations to sodomy. Perhaps when the care for souls is added to that, it becomes too much and they succumb to the temptations of satan. You shouldn't make your yoke heavier than you can carry.

[marielapin]

[quote name='Bennn' date='09 April 2010 - 08:42 AM' timestamp='1270820554' post='2089901']
Having homosexual inclinations are pretty much a sign that you are homosexually oriented. It was already a problem with the clerics in the middle ages. Just look at St. Peter Damian, who waged battle against sodomy and simony within the Church. Pretty sad. Maybe we could learn from this that you shouldn't pursue a priestly vocation just because you aren't attracted to women. The Holy Priesthood is not a substitute for not being able to marry, it requires genuine vocation. I think when you're gay you already have trouble enough fighting against temptations to sodomy. Perhaps when the care for souls is added to that, it becomes too much and they succumb to the temptations of satan. You shouldn't make your yoke heavier than you can carry.
[/quote]

I just looked up St. Peter Damien and read about his letter 31: Book of Gomorrah. Wow. Just wow. I learned something new today.

[OraProMe]

Adolescents is defined at starting at the age of 10 so people think they can say that the abuse is primarily homosexual in nature. But as far as I'm concerned it's definitely something other than regular homosexuality. I mean if a heterosexual adult male was sexually attracted by an 11 year old girl would you say he's a perfectly normal, healthy heterosexal? I doubt it. These reports state that the majority of abuse was commited against boys aged 14 and under. Anyone, heterosexual or homosexual, who is attracted to someone that early in development is psychological unhealthy. It goes way beyond being attracted to the same or opposite sex. Healthy people are sexually attracted to people who are sexually mature, it's more than homosexuality.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='10 April 2010 - 02:47 AM' timestamp='1270878444' post='2090337']
Adolescents is defined at starting at the age of 10 so people think they can say that the abuse is primarily homosexual in nature. But as far as I'm concerned it's definitely something other than regular homosexuality. I mean if a heterosexual adult male was sexually attracted by an 11 year old girl would you say he's a perfectly normal, healthy heterosexal? I doubt it. These reports state that the majority of abuse was commited against boys aged 14 and under. Anyone, heterosexual or homosexual, who is attracted to someone that early in development is psychological unhealthy. It goes way beyond being attracted to the same or opposite sex. Healthy people are sexually attracted to people who are sexually mature, it's more than homosexuality.
[/quote]
If you read studies concerned male homosexuals there is a great deal of information about being attracted to YOUNG boys. You are also making an assumption that homosexual attraction is healthy, which is not a leap one should not be automatically prepared to make.

[Saint Therese]

Since homosexuality is a disordered desire, it might be that attraction to very young individuals is coexistant with homosexual desire because the individual has deep seated issues.

[Socrates]

I suppose the fact that 81% of the sexual abuse was of boys, rather than girls, counts for nothing.
I've read that attraction to adolescents is fairly common among homosexuals, where those who like their partners young are called "chicken hawks."

Sexual disorder of any kind has no place in the priesthood, and seminarians were not being properly screened for sexual problems.

Edited April 10, 2010 by Socrates

[Saint Therese]

Again the problem is dissent, because homosexuality was not seen as issue, because of the disregard for Church teaching on sexuality.

[Hassan]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='10 April 2010 - 10:42 AM' timestamp='1270910570' post='2090404']
If you read studies concerned male homosexuals there is a great deal of information about being attracted to YOUNG boys. You are also making an assumption that homosexual attraction is healthy, which is not a leap one should not be automatically prepared to make.
[/quote]
It's a safe assumption when the best you all have against it is that god says it's icky.

[Bennn]

[quote name='Hassan' date='10 April 2010 - 10:40 PM' timestamp='1270932043' post='2090572']
It's a safe assumption when the best you all have against it is that God says it's icky.
[/quote]


Well, we are Catholics. Catholics tend to stick with Catholic teaching.

[OraProMe]

[quote name='Saint Therese' date='10 April 2010 - 09:47 AM' timestamp='1270910859' post='2090409']
Since homosexuality is a disordered desire, it might be that attraction to very young individuals is coexistant with homosexual desire because the individual has deep seated issues.
[/quote]

I don't think this is sound. I know many homosexuals and none of them are attracted to 10 year old kids. I'm sure there are some homosexuals who are attracted to young boys, but that's someting above and beyond the average homosexual. Just as a 40 year old heterosexual who is turned on by kids is not the average heterosexual man.

[mortify]

The priest who molested 200 deaf boys was engaging in gay sex in pre seminary.

[OraProMe]

[quote name='mortify' date='10 April 2010 - 11:16 PM' timestamp='1270959387' post='2090796']
The priest who molested 200 deaf boys was engaging in gay sex in pre seminary.
[/quote]
That doesn't prove that his homosexuality (if he is gay) caused him to molest those boys. By that logic I could say: the man who molested 200 deaf boys was a Catholic priest thus...

And wait...pre-seminary? As in a minor seminary for kids aged 12-17? Who was he having gay sex with at that age and in that place? Another priest perhaps? Honestly no one with half a brain buys the scapegoat.

There a pedophile priests not because homosexuality is rampant in the priesthood as the right would claim or because celibacy causes them to rape little boys as the left would claim. There are pedophiles in the priesthood simply because a small number of people have an attraction to minors, some of these people are straight and some are gay, regardless it's unacceptable for them to act on their inclinations and probably best that they're kept away from children. There are many other reasons why boys may be abused much more than girls by catholic priests, one that jumps out is that up until a few decades ago only boys were allowed to serve on the altar. Traditionally the nuns took care of the girls and the priests and brothers took care of the boys. My great aunt went to a school run by the Sisters of St. Joseph and my uncle went to a school run by the Christian brothers. Priests had far more access to young boys than girls. The number of pedophiles in the priesthood are just representative of the number of pedophiles in wider society.

I have a question for anyone here that thinks homosexuals causes this crisis. If a married man raped a young girl would you say that his heterosexuality caused him to rape her? If not then why apply that logic to homosexuals? What we're talking about is rape, personally I'd much rather the Church to be suffering a gay sex scandal between 50 year old priests and 17 year old guys (as so many on the Catholic right make it out to be by using the vague term "adolescence" defined as starting at age 10) rather than a pedophilia scandal between 50 year old men and 13 year old boys.

Edited April 11, 2010 by OraProMe