E.m.h.c. Fail !

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='dominicansoul' date='08 April 2010 - 11:32 AM' timestamp='1270737137' post='2089180']
I have had to get up from my place after Communion because I saw a teenager take the Host and place it in her hands and keep It. I walked across the aisles to get to her, and I ordered her to consume Him or I was going to take Him from her. The parents looked at me like I was a crazy woman, but finally the kid placed the Host on her tongue and I watched as she swallowed. I made sure she did not keep Him on her tongue. Afterwards, I spoke to the priest and He walked over to them after the Mass and I heard him scolding the parents for not watching what their child was doing. Who knows, that kid probably never even received her first Holy Communion in her life? The priest didn't see this happen, because this kid received from a person who I don't dare call "minister." The way the Church in America adopted a liberal use of "extraordinary" "ministers" of the Eucharist is abominable, and I wonder how much sacrilege Our Lord has had to endure!
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That is a question only the bishops can answer.

[vee]

What amazes me is that Jesus knew these horrible offenses would happen and yet He still chose to make Himself entirely available to us in such a fragile vulnerable way until the end of time. What love!

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='vee8' date='08 April 2010 - 11:17 AM' timestamp='1270739849' post='2089208']
What amazes me is that Jesus knew these horrible offenses would happen and yet He still chose to make Himself entirely available to us in such a fragile vulnerable way until the end of time. What love!
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Yes. True Love has risks...

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Raphael' date='08 April 2010 - 03:32 PM' timestamp='1270737164' post='2089181']

People are so embarrassed sometimes not to go up for Communion because they feel they'll be judged, but Christians ought to assume the best of intentions in others. I might have realized halfway through Mass that I broke the fast without meaning to or I may feel ill-prepared because I was intentionally distracted during the Mass.
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[quote name='vee8' date='08 April 2010 - 04:17 PM' timestamp='1270739849' post='2089208']
What amazes me is that Jesus knew these horrible offences would happen and yet He still chose to make Himself entirely available to us in such a fragile vulnerable way until the end of time. What love!
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Indeed

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='08 April 2010 - 01:06 AM' timestamp='1270706815' post='2089097']
At the parish I was at in BC, a woman took the Eucharist, then went over to the EMHC holding the chalice and intincted it. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/annoyed.gif[/img] I twitched and got angry.

Didn't help that almost every single young person in there was acting like jerks. Not a great time. Not at all.
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I'm not excusing what the woman did, but I have a guess where she got the idea. In Episcopal churches, if you have a cold etc and are afraid that drinking from the cup could pass germs on to others, it is considered acceptable practice (in fact, polite practice) to dip the host into the wine rather than drinking from the chalice. Particularly during flu epidemics, etc., this issue comes up.

I am NOT excusing the woman's behavior--just that I can guess where she might have gotten the idea that this was okay. Because the Episcopal and Catholic liturgies have so many similarities, someone who does not know much about Catholicism might think that because the Anglo/Catholic church believes that it remains part of the "holy Catholic and apostolic church," doesn't mean that Catholics feel the same way, no matter how similar the liturgies. And, I doubt that many non-Catholics are familar with the concept of transubstantiation (and its implications) versus consubstantiation.

In my own case, when I was married to a Catholic, I frequently went to Mass with my ex-husband. During Communion, I would remain in the pew, kneeling or sitting quietly. I was a guest, and not a Catholic, and so was respectful of Catholic beliefs and customs.

In Episcopal churches, it has become the custom to offer communion to anyone who wants to partake, and I admit that I don't feel comfortable with that. When I was growing up, in Episcopal churches, the practice was that you did not take communion until after you were confirmed--usually at age 12 or 13. I feel as if a person should understand all the meanings and implications of taking communion in the church they are attending, and if not, should not partake. I wonder if some people think that it would be rude NOT to take communion, and don't understand that it is perfectly acceptable (and correct, in a Catholic church) to remain quietly in the pew during Communion.

Edited April 8, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Raphael' date='08 April 2010 - 10:32 AM' timestamp='1270737164' post='2089181']
People are so embarrassed sometimes not to go up for Communion because they feel they'll be judged, but Christians ought to assume the best of intentions in others. I might have realized halfway through Mass that I broke the fast without meaning to or I may feel ill-prepared because I was intentionally distracted during the Mass.
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Haha. Years back I was at Mass on the FUS krampus and I decided not to receive because I hadn't fasted or was late or whatever, and after Mass this guy came up to me and was like, "Excuse me, I noticed you didn't receive the Eucharist, are you Protestant?" Haha. I said something along the lines of, "no, not Protestant, just a terrible mortal sinner." He just got a weird look on his face and slinked away.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='08 April 2010 - 11:18 AM' timestamp='1270743515' post='2089233']
I'm not excusing what the woman did, but I have a guess where she got the idea. In Episcopal churches, if you have a cold etc and are afraid that drinking from the cup could pass germs on to others, it is considered acceptable practice (in fact, polite practice) to dip the host into the wine rather than drinking from the chalice. Particularly during flu epidemics, etc., this issue comes up.

I am NOT excusing the woman's behavior--just that I can guess where she might have gotten the idea that this was okay.

In my own case, when I was married to a Catholic, I went to Mass with my ex-husband frequently. During Communion, I would remain in the pew, kneeling or sitting quietly. I was a guest, and not a Catholic, and so was respectful of Catholic beliefs and customs.

In Episcopal churches, it has become the custom to offer communion to anyone who wants to partake, and I admit that I don't feel comfortable with that. When I was growing up, in Episcopal churches, the practice was that you did not take communion until after you were confirmed--usually at age 12 or 13. I feel as if a person should understand all the meanings and implications of taking communion in the church they are attending, and if not, should not partake. I wonder if some people think that it would be rude NOT to take communion, and don't understand that it is perfectly acceptable (and correct, in a Catholic church) to remain quietly in the pew during Communion.
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The reason we're so horrified about what I described is that self-intinction like this is more or less foreign to the Roman Rite, and has actually specifically been condemned as grave abuse by... John Paul II, I believe. Actually, self-intinction is foreign to every rite, but some of the Eastern Churches do intinct.

Anyway, the point is that a Catholic really should be aware of what our beliefs and practices are, especially for the Eucharist.

[Semper Catholic]

Oh goodness the horror!

Are you guys serious?

You really think Jesus would care about this? I think he would be much happier that a young man was trying to understand and learn about his girlfriends religion. You guys are way to up tight.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' date='08 April 2010 - 12:32 PM' timestamp='1270744376' post='2089239']
Oh goodness the horror!

Are you guys serious?

You really think Jesus would care about this? I think he would be much happier that a young man was trying to understand and learn about his girlfriends religion. You guys are way to up tight.
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The Church says it's a concern. I think I'll go with that.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='08 April 2010 - 12:20 PM' timestamp='1270743634' post='2089235']
Haha. Years back I was at Mass on the FUS krampus and I decided not to receive because I hadn't fasted or was late or whatever, and after Mass this guy came up to me and was like, "Excuse me, I noticed you didn't receive the Eucharist, are you Protestant?" Haha. I said something along the lines of, "no, not Protestant, just a terrible mortal sinner." He just got a weird look on his face and slinked away.
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"Sorry, do I look like I'm clutching desperately to a 20-pound Bible?"

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' date='08 April 2010 - 11:32 AM' timestamp='1270744376' post='2089239']
Oh goodness the horror!

Are you guys serious?

You really think Jesus would care about this? I think he would be much happier that a young man was trying to understand and learn about his girlfriends religion. You guys are way to up tight.
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Yea, no. None of us really care all that much what happens to Jesus' Body and Blood. We just want to look cool.

Plus Paul was probably kidding when he said

26 For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come.
27 Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
30 Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you, and many sleep.



Paul was way too uptight anyway. Times have changed, maaaaaaaaan. Morals are like, relative to your culture man.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' date='08 April 2010 - 12:32 PM' timestamp='1270744376' post='2089239']
Oh goodness the horror!

Are you guys serious?

You really think Jesus would care about this? I think he would be much happier that a young man was trying to understand and learn about his girlfriends religion. You guys are way to up tight.
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The Communion line is not the place to learn about your girlfriend's religion...

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Raphael' date='08 April 2010 - 12:50 PM' timestamp='1270745445' post='2089253']
"Sorry, do I look like I'm clutching desperately to a 20-pound Bible?"
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[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='08 April 2010 - 12:57 PM' timestamp='1270745869' post='2089259']

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ROFL sorry, I thought you'd laugh at it. I've heard a lot of formerly Protestant converts to Catholicism say that they were identified by Catholic apologists in parishes because they were caught in the back pew clutching their Bibles. It's been my own experience that Protestants who come to Mass follow the philosophy of "the closer in size my Bible is to the Lectionary, the better."

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Raphael' date='08 April 2010 - 02:41 PM' timestamp='1270752082' post='2089360']
ROFL sorry, I thought you'd laugh at it. I've heard a lot of formerly Protestant converts to Catholicism say that they were identified by Catholic apologists in parishes because they were caught in the back pew clutching their Bibles. It's been my own experience that Protestants who come to Mass follow the philosophy of "the closer in size my Bible is to the Lectionary, the better."
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Lullz. I think I heard Scott Hahn talk about this once.