Semper Catholic Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Good point also lol. Although I'd like to see Mr. McDonough refrain from playing deranged killers as much as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 [quote name='Semper Catholic' date='02 April 2010 - 02:54 PM' timestamp='1270245288' post='2085710'] Good point also lol. Although I'd like to see Mr. McDonough refrain from playing deranged killers as much as possible [/quote] but deranged killers are the most interesting parts to play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted April 2, 2010 Author Share Posted April 2, 2010 I dunno. Shakespeare is full of deranged killers. Dante is graphic too. I'm against gratuitous violence. But we can't throw out the baby w/ the bathwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 [quote name='Semper Catholic' date='02 April 2010 - 05:54 PM' timestamp='1270245288' post='2085710'] Good point also lol. Although I'd like to see Mr. McDonough refrain from playing deranged killers as much as possible [/quote] I kind of go in between on these sorts of issues. On the one hand, there can be very legitimate reasons to show sin, especially if the consequences of sin are integral to the plot. On the other hand, we need to protect ourselves from exposure to sin. In any case, the means of portraying the sin can't include actual sins, so sex scenes would be very difficult to do morally. My moral theology teacher in college recalled that when he was a boy watching a movie, "if a soldier came home from war and embraced his wife, the camera would pan off to the side and you'd see the curtains kind of blow in the wind. The adults knew what was happening, but the kids were like, 'okay, so it's windy. What does this have to do with the plot?'." The fact that directors are now showing sex scenes the way they are actually demonstrates that they are less artistic and less talented than before. They can't use imagery to show what's happening, they feel it's necessary to show the act itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Wow an actor I actually know of. It's cool he stood by his beliefs when so many fail to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Normile Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 The article said he "is poised to lose as much as 1 million dollars" for his refusal. I wonder how many have sold out their beleifs for far less. I would say he has raised his worth in God's eyes immensely. God bless him and his family, we all should pray for his career, and that his family is as firm in their beleifs as he is, and as willing to accept such a loss as he is. ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laetitia crucis Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Wow -- I'm honestly shocked in such a good way! God bless him! Maybe he will inspire others in "Hollywood" to do so as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eustace scrubb Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 "i don't believe in sex before marriage?" "i bet you'd do that if someone offered you a million dollars for that..." "no, and there's actually someone you've heard of who has done just that." "WHAT?!??" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Catholic Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 To be fair this isn't some no name actor turning down his "big break." McDonough has been working steadily for years and has reached the point where he has his pick of scripts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 [quote name='Semper Catholic' date='03 April 2010 - 10:38 AM' timestamp='1270305511' post='2085999'] To be fair this isn't some no name actor turning down his "big break." McDonough has been working steadily for years and has reached the point where he has his pick of scripts. [/quote] True. If it were some unknown, just-starting-out actor, this would not be a story. While McDonough does have recognition, I would not say he has his pick of scripts. After all, he was fired from this job (a job he apparently wanted) because he wouldn't comply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 As to sex scenes versus murderous scenes. Sex scenes on TV can definitely lead people to sin. I would think much more so than playing a crazed killer. I've never heard a serial killer say that they got inspired to kill from a violent movie or television show, but Ted Bundy believed pornography did lead to violence. He said that he didn’t know a violent, sexual deviant in jail who wasn’t addicted to porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 I love his piercing blue eyes. I remember him on "Angels in the Outfield". Whether it's a seasoned actor or an actor starting out, the fact is he stuck to his principals and did not waver. I am pretty sure he wanted the job and for them to sack him was a hard blow. This is hollywood. If anything, he will be mocked more and come under fire for other roles that he takes. (like a deranged killer) I am proud of him and plan to pray that he has perseverance. If Hollywood didn't know he was Catholic they do now and he will surely be mocked for it. "a catholic family man". I mean put Catholic out there and you are a child abuser just like the Pope. Hollywood makes no attempt to hide their anti-Catholicism bigotry or it's hatred for the unsung hero of our times: the faithful "family" man. I don't think we will understand the type of persecution he will probably take for this. This is not just another case of "fire/re-hire" job. Because it isn't. That is why there is a story behind his firing. Kissing is real. Legal adultery. I'm pretty sure that's a huge factor of the many broken marriages in Hollywood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephrem Augustine Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 [quote name='Semper Catholic' date='02 April 2010 - 04:33 PM' timestamp='1270243981' post='2085683'] Interesting that he'll refuse a sex scene but is ok with playing a murderer. [/quote] I think he was in a couple movies playing the villain... but the villian, representing injustice or evil, ultimately does not prevail. The villain, essentially to many stories, is an important component, and never puts right or justification behind them or their action. It would be a bit different if you play the hero of a story, who engages in an explicit sex scene. The hero, often times is held up for their capacity for morals. If children didn't have enough moral confusion to deal with, let alone having to watch their parent do it on national television. Good for him, and I will be sure to pray for him. He is the true hero for not caving into amoral social expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Normile Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 [quote name='CatherineM' date='03 April 2010 - 09:59 AM' timestamp='1270306795' post='2086012'] As to sex scenes versus murderous scenes. Sex scenes on TV can definitely lead people to sin. I would think much more so than playing a crazed killer. I've never heard a serial killer say that they got inspired to kill from a violent movie or television show, but Ted Bundy believed pornography did lead to violence. He said that he didn't know a violent, sexual deviant in jail who wasn't addicted to porn. [/quote] Catherine, true, also as an actor acting as a serial killer there would not be the "near occasion of sin" as an actor acting out a sex scene, probably semi-clothed with another actress probably dressed the same. ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 [quote name='CatherineM' date='03 April 2010 - 10:59 AM' timestamp='1270306795' post='2086012'] As to sex scenes versus murderous scenes. Sex scenes on TV can definitely lead people to sin. I would think much more so than playing a crazed killer. I've never heard a serial killer say that they got inspired to kill from a violent movie or television show, but Ted Bundy believed pornography did lead to violence. He said that he didn’t know a violent, sexual deviant in jail who wasn’t addicted to porn. [/quote] Absolutely. Sex scenes are meant to make sex tantalizing and attractive, and more often and not don't involve the marriage bed. Scenes involving things like murder and rape normally don't portray them in a positive light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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