Has Russia Been Properly Consecrated

[Socrates]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='31 March 2010 - 05:04 PM' timestamp='1270069462' post='2084254']
There is a greater likelihood that the United States will become a socialist dictatorship than Russia return to communism. It is America that is embracing godlessness, not Russia.
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I admit I've never been to Russia, but from what I've read contemporary Russia sounds like a pretty godless place.
Not denying there's some good Christians there, but overall Russian society seems not so godly. Still heavily atheist and irreligious, with a lot of lawlessness, crime, and immorality. Among the world's highest abortion rates, rampant prostitution and drugs, etc.

Edited March 31, 2010 by Socrates

[Hassan]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='31 March 2010 - 05:04 PM' timestamp='1270069462' post='2084254']
There is a greater likelihood that the United States will become a socialist dictatorship than Russia return to communism. It is America that is embracing godlessness, not Russia.
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That's asinine. America is far more religious that Ruasia has been in decades. And communists can still make a strong showing in the polls compared to Amrica. Not to mention the general nostalgia that so many Russians have for the stability and security that existed under Stalin and the USSR.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Hassan' date='31 March 2010 - 05:08 PM' timestamp='1270076889' post='2084353']
That's asinine. America is far more religious that Ruasia has been in decades. And communists can still make a strong showing in the polls compared to Amrica. Not to mention the general nostalgia that so many Russians have for the stability and security that existed under Stalin and the USSR.
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That's your opinion, which I find asinine.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Socrates' date='31 March 2010 - 04:40 PM' timestamp='1270075210' post='2084316']
I admit I've never been to Russia, but from what I've read contemporary Russia sounds like a pretty godless place.
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Russia is undergoing a religious revival, while the United States is in the process of "constitutionally" embracing socialism.

[quote name='Socrates' date='31 March 2010 - 04:40 PM' timestamp='1270075210' post='2084316']
Not denying there's some good Christians there, but overall Russian society seems not so godly. Still heavily atheist and irreligious, with a lot of lawlessness, crime, and immorality. Among the world's highest abortion rates, rampant prostitution and drugs, etc.
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All of these things can also be said about the United States.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Socrates' date='31 March 2010 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1270075210' post='2084316']
I admit I've never been to Russia, but from what I've read contemporary Russia sounds like a pretty godless place.
Not denying there's some good Christians there, but overall Russian society seems not so godly. Still heavily atheist and irreligious, with a lot of lawlessness, crime, and immorality. Among the world's highest abortion rates, rampant prostitution and drugs, etc.
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oh wow, I'm about to wholeheartedly agree with Socrates.

Yes to everything you said. Not to mention the suffocating corruption.

Putin wears a cross and gives a specail status to the patriarch. Orthodox christianity often has a strong ethnic component to it. Most Russians identify with russian orthodoxy because for centuries that was part of what it fundamentally was to be Russian. In terms of actual religious observance the numbers are at like 15-20%

[Apotheoun]

Americans should be far more concerned about what is happening in our own country than about what is happening in Russia. If any country is actively spreading immorality around the globe it is the United States that is doing it.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='31 March 2010 - 07:12 PM' timestamp='1270077153' post='2084358']
Russia is undergoing a religious revival, while the United States is in the process of "constitutionally" embracing socialism.[/quote]

America is lightyears ahead of Russia in terms of having an established, respected freemarket. American liberal politicians would be free market advocates in a Russian context


[quote]All of these things can also be said about the United States.
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not on the same levels

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Hassan' date='31 March 2010 - 05:16 PM' timestamp='1270077394' post='2084366']
America is lightyears ahead of Russia in terms of having an established, respected freemarket. American liberal politicians would be free market advocates in a Russian context[/quote]
America is in the process of dismantling its free market economy with massive federal bailouts. Get off your high horse, because it died some time ago.

[quote name='Hassan' date='31 March 2010 - 05:16 PM' timestamp='1270077394' post='2084366']
not on the same levels
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America is no bastion of godliness. Regular attendance by Catholics at Mass in the United States is running in the mid 20 percent range.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='31 March 2010 - 07:14 PM' timestamp='1270077262' post='2084363']
Americans should be far more concerned about what is happening in our own country than about what is happening in Russia.[/quote]
You're the one talking a bit like a 19th century Russian slavophile

[quote] If any country is actively spreading immorality around the globe it is the United States that is doing it.
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ok

[KnightofChrist]

The Blessed Mother asked for one thing, the Church did something like what she asked for but not what she asked. While she may have found what was done acceptable it would seem she would have liked what she asked for more. Since she was so direct and detailed about it when asking.

If Russia's errors were atheistic Communism/Socialism it's errors have seemed to spread very much indeed.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Hassan' date='31 March 2010 - 05:20 PM' timestamp='1270077652' post='2084373']
You're the one talking a bit like a 19th century Russian slavophile[/quote]
Not at all. I have not said that Russia is perfect; instead, I have only pointed out that there are changes occurring in Russian society, and that at least as far as religious freedom is concerned it is moving in a more positive direction than the United States. Economically Russia is also improving, but it has far to go, but so does the United States. Our economy is large, but it is not healthy by any means. Actual unemployment is at nearly 20 percent, and unemployment and underemployment when added together are running in the high 20 percent range.

May you have a happy spring holiday this coming friday.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='31 March 2010 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1270077577' post='2084372']
America is in the process of dismantling its free market economy with massive federal bailouts. Get off your high horse, because it died some time ago.[/quote]

I'm not on a high horse. Russia is a petrol state. There is far more government market intervention and state control of industry. The bail outs occured in extraordinary circumstances with an understanding that goverent shares are temporary, that's not the case in Russia


[quote]America is no bastion of godliness. Regular attendance by Catholics at Mass in the United States is running in the mid 20 percent range.
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that's still higher than than Russia and the national figure is more like 50%

[Saint Therese]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='31 March 2010 - 07:14 PM' timestamp='1270077262' post='2084363']
Americans should be far more concerned about what is happening in our own country than about what is happening in Russia. If any country is actively spreading immorality around the globe it is the United States that is doing it.
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I agree.

[Apotheoun]

The fact that the United States government is going to double the existing debt of 12.5 trillion dollars to around 25 tillion dollars in the next 6 to 8 years speaks volumes about government over-reaching its proper role within society. It is the United States that is on course to become a "communist" country, not Russia. Moreover, the United States is not what it once was, and Americans had better wake up to reality before the massive national debt, and the unfunded liabilities of federal social programs in excess of 107 trillion dollars, which at this point does not even count the massive socialist health care reform just passed by Congress, destroys our economy and our personal liberties at the same time. We have more than enough of our own problems to worry about, and Russia is certainly not one of them.

What will Americans do when the dollar is no longer the international standard currency? America needs to get its own house in order, whether we are talking about socialist government expansion, the economy, or the state of the Church in this country, which is far from healthy. Russia hasn't caused any of the problems that we are experiencing; instead, we have brought them upon ourselves.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Hassan' date='31 March 2010 - 05:27 PM' timestamp='1270078029' post='2084380']
that's still higher than than Russia and the national figure is more like 50%
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Surveys of people in Russia indicate that about 80 to 90 percent of people believe in God, which is comparable with surveys in the United States. Church attendance in America, which has been in constant decline for more then 40 years, and Church attendance in Russia are again comparable. Church attendance in Russia is higher than in France, and many other Western countries.

Edited March 31, 2010 by Apotheoun