jeffpugh Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 As long as they're nice enough to follow the hermeneutic of continuity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='31 March 2010 - 10:18 PM' timestamp='1270091919' post='2084554'] As long as they're nice enough to follow the hermeneutic of continuity... [/quote] Why have the Novus Ordo as done as closely to the ancient Roman Rite as possible when you can have the extraordinary form itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie-Therese Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I wish an EF service was even an option for me. I am 2 hours away from the nearest EF parish with no way to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='31 March 2010 - 11:23 PM' timestamp='1270092228' post='2084557'] Why have the Novus Ordo as done as closely to the ancient Roman Rite as possible when you can have the extraordinary form itself? [/quote] Because some people think it's valuable. Plus, it was meant to look like the other mass. There wasn't supposed to be a dichotomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='01 April 2010 - 12:04 AM' timestamp='1270098263' post='2084622'] Because some people think it's valuable. [/quote] Quot homines, tot sententiae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='01 April 2010 - 01:11 AM' timestamp='1270098675' post='2084631'] Quot homines, tot sententiae. [/quote] I can see through your sarcasm (though I have to crack out the Latin dictionary to get this one)! The mass is valid! And there's more scripture (though part of me finds the OF waterlogged, so to speak with a 3 year cycle). Wow... I thought I was really trad, but I still see some merit in the OF... though I really like the opening prayers of the EF... and the last gospel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunshynn Posted April 1, 2010 Author Share Posted April 1, 2010 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='01 April 2010 - 09:37 AM' timestamp='1270136279' post='2084807'] I can see through your sarcasm (though I have to crack out the Latin dictionary to get this one)! The mass is valid! And there's more scripture (though part of me finds the OF waterlogged, so to speak with a 3 year cycle). Wow... I thought I was really trad, but I still see some merit in the OF... though I really like the opening prayers of the EF... and the last gospel... [/quote] The OF really doesn't have THAT much more scripture than the EF... I can't remember the exact numbers but I recall that the precentage difference is that the OF has somewhere between 10-20% more scripture, whereas people say it's like 40% more. Plus the EF readings are often more in context and have some readings that were excluded from the OF. Not to mention how scriptural almost all of the antiphons and many of the collects are... But yes, the mass is valid... and I'm too lazy to look up Rex's latin sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 I looked it up. It's something along the lines of "as there are many people, there are [numerous] opinions" or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='01 April 2010 - 10:37 AM' timestamp='1270136279' post='2084807'] The mass is valid![/quote] Of course it is. [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='01 April 2010 - 10:37 AM' timestamp='1270136279' post='2084807'] And there's more scripture (though part of me finds the OF waterlogged, so to speak with a 3 year cycle).[/quote] The novel three year cycle of readings has traditionally never been a part of the Roman rite (or of any other rite for that matter). I find a one year cycle of readings to be stabler and even more liturgical, with the same epistle and gospel being read on a certain feast every year. While perhaps some also see benefit in making each individual reading longer, I do not see any benefit in that. Ideally, the readings should be chanted, and even chanting a reading that is short on paper can take a rather long time (as I am sure you know). Making the readings even longer just causes more incentive for priests to read the gospel rather than chant it. [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='01 April 2010 - 10:37 AM' timestamp='1270136279' post='2084807'] I still see some merit in the OF... [/quote] Of course there is merit in the ordinary form of the Mass inasmuch as it is a valid Eucharistic Liturgy; however, I see absolutely no merit in any of the changes made to the ancient Roman rite during the [i]Consilium[/i]'s liturgical reform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 Rexi do you know how long pontifical vespers in the EF goes for? I'm thinking of going on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunshynn Posted April 3, 2010 Author Share Posted April 3, 2010 [quote name='OraProMe' date='02 April 2010 - 03:57 AM' timestamp='1270202272' post='2085473'] Rexi do you know how long pontifical vespers in the EF goes for? I'm thinking of going on Monday. [/quote] Probably 3 hours. I'm sort of serious. Tenebrae today was 3 and a half. Of course that's both Matins and Lauds and it was for Good Friday. But still it'll probably be pretty long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunshynn Posted April 3, 2010 Author Share Posted April 3, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='01 April 2010 - 01:18 PM' timestamp='1270149482' post='2084999'] The novel three year cycle of readings has traditionally never been a part of the Roman rite (or of any other rite for that matter). I find a one year cycle of readings to be stabler and even more liturgical, with the same epistle and gospel being read on a certain feast every year. While perhaps some also see benefit in making each individual reading longer, I do not see any benefit in that. Ideally, the readings should be chanted, and even chanting a reading that is short on paper can take a rather long time (as I am sure you know). Making the readings even longer just causes more incentive for priests to read the gospel rather than chant it. [/quote] Not to mention, the Divine Office is supposed to be an extension of the liturgy. That doesn't really work when the Divine Office is on a one year cycle and the Mass is on a 3 year cycle. Most of the time they don't have much to do with each other, with the exception of feast days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 [quote name='missionseeker' date='31 March 2010 - 08:55 PM' timestamp='1270079701' post='2084407'] duuuude....the title to thread... [/quote] yeah, I saw that too. But I figured it out after a second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunshynn Posted April 3, 2010 Author Share Posted April 3, 2010 It has been amazing, by the way. Like epically, awesomely, super out of this world amazing. Even though the church was FREEZING during Tenebrae. I thought I was going to die. Is that a custom for it? I mean... it kinda fit the mood... but sheesh. It was amazing. Oh... did I say that already? Just in case you didn't hear me... It was amazing. The Altar of Repose was BEAUTIFUL... It was in the gym on the stage because so many people stay for adoration and the one side altar has too small of a space... So many lilies and flowers people handpicked from their gardens. It smelled so beautiful. Quite a few people stayed for adoration until Father took the Blessed Sacrament to the sacristy at midnight too. Oh, and there was compline after the Stripping of the Altars. That was really cool. Apparently the baptism is not going to be at the Vigil, though. I think it was on Wednesday or Holy Thursday I think... not sure why. Oh well. I'll get over it. So yeah... amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Did you notice the Greek in the Good Friday Office? That was kinda awesome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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