Coffin Placed On Congressman's Lawn

[Apotheoun]

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. The usurpers, clothed with the forms of legal authority, can too often crush the opposition in embryo. The smaller the extent of the territory, the more difficult will it be for the people to form a regular or systematic plan of opposition, and the more easy will it be to defeat their early efforts. Intelligence can be more speedily obtained of their preparations and movements, and the military force in the possession of the usurpers can be more rapidly directed against the part where the opposition has begun. In this situation there must be a peculiar coincidence of circumstances to insure success to the popular resistance.

The obstacles to usurpation and the facilities of resistance increase with the increased extent of the state, provided the citizens understand their rights and are disposed to defend them. The natural strength of the people in a large community, in proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater than in a small, and of course more competent to a struggle with the attempts of the government to establish a tyranny. But in a confederacy the people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate. Power being almost always the rival of power, the general government will at all times stand ready to check the usurpations of the state governments, and these will have the same disposition towards the general government. The people, by throwing themselves into either scale, will infallibly make it preponderate. If their rights are invaded by either, they can make use of the other as the instrument of redress. How wise will it be in them by cherishing the union to preserve to themselves an advantage which can never be too highly prized!

It may safely be received as an axiom in our political system, that the State governments will, in all possible contingencies, afford complete security against invasions of the public liberty by the national authority. Projects of usurpation cannot be masked under pretenses so likely to escape the penetration of select bodies of men, as of the people at large. The legislatures will have better means of information. They can discover the danger at a distance; and possessing all the organs of civil power, and the confidence of the people, they can at once adopt a regular plan of opposition, in which they can combine all the resources of the community. They can readily communicate with each other in the different States, and unite their common forces for the protection of their common liberty.

The great extent of the country is a further security. We have already experienced its utility against the attacks of a foreign power. And it would have precisely the same effect against the enterprises of ambitious rulers in the national councils. If the federal army should be able to quell the resistance of one State, the distant States would have it in their power to make head with fresh forces. The advantages obtained in one place must be abandoned to subdue the opposition in others; and the moment the part which had been reduced to submission was left to itself, its efforts would be renewed, and its resistance revive.

We should recollect that the extent of the military force must, at all events, be regulated by the resources of the country. For a long time to come, it will not be possible to maintain a large army; and as the means of doing this increase, the population and natural strength of the community will proportionably increase. When will the time arrive that the federal government can raise and maintain an army capable of erecting a despotism over the great body of the people of an immense empire, who are in a situation, through the medium of their State governments, to take measures for their own defense, with all the celerity, regularity, and system of independent nations? The apprehension may be considered as a disease, for which there can be found no cure in the resources of argument and reasoning.

Federalist Paper, no. 28

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='notardillacid' date='25 March 2010 - 08:55 PM' timestamp='1269564958' post='2080193']
Don't let your emotions dominate you just like a female
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What a disgusting comment.

[Winchester]

[quote name='notardillacid' date='25 March 2010 - 08:55 PM' timestamp='1269564958' post='2080193']
Sometimes your name fits you. LOL. all of the time. You think that a grill's propane tank is going to level a house and a neighbor's?

[img]http://ottawa.aderk.ca/pictures/-BBQ-Grill--Propane-Tank1-ottawa-tt2br.jpg[/img]

Don't let your emotions dominate you just like a female
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While it wouldn't [i]level[/i] it, the size of a propane tank explosion from the one above (assuming a real rupture from overpressure and an open flame) could involve more than one house. In fact, in suburbia, it probably would.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Winchester' date='25 March 2010 - 07:50 PM' timestamp='1269568200' post='2080219']
While it wouldn't [i]level[/i] it, the size of a propane tank explosion from the one above (assuming a real rupture from overpressure and an open flame) could involve more than one house. In fact, in suburbia, it probably would.
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[img]http://images.buddytv.com/articles/king-of-the-hill/images/hank-hill-1.jpg[/img]

[BG45]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='25 March 2010 - 09:52 PM' timestamp='1269568349' post='2080221']
[img]http://images.buddytv.com/articles/king-of-the-hill/images/hank-hill-1.jpg[/img]
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If I had the +1 to give, you'd get it. This entire thread is making me think of that ludicrous two-parter where the Mega-Lo Mart blew up in a propane explosion and everyone thought Hank did it. Even his old boss, "On a completely unrelated note, Hank, old buddy, I'm wearing a wire. Did you blow up the Mega-Lo Mart?"

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Hassan' date='25 March 2010 - 09:40 PM' timestamp='1269564015' post='2080186']
Take up a gun and go chill in the woods with some like minded friends then.

This is why the tea baggers don't scare me as mass movement. The may be vitriolic, paranoid and many even racist, but when it comes down to it most are just full of empty bluster and hot air.
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Then you aren't listening. This is how people lose their rights and freedoms, and why America fought in a revolutionary war. It happens a little at a time, enough so most people are willing to tolerate the loss. It has nothing to do with paranoia or racism, and the racism card is in itself racist. Obama isn't 'untouchable' because he is black. His policies are legitimately evil. Destructively evil. Bush wasn't much better, but the parade of stomping on freedom is escalating.

When and if revolution comes (if we aren't all too fat and stupid sitting in front of our tv's watching LOST) no one will automatically take up arms. A group of people will declare freedom from tyranny. Then they will leave the ball in the court of the oppressor to decide to grant that freedom or aggressively move forward at which point those receding from the tyrannical government will defend themselves.

I don't think we are at the point of a revolution yet, I don't think any states are going to secede from the union tomorrow, but if we continue to draw into the direction of socialism and then communism, I see it as within the realm of possibility in the next 100 years.

[XIX]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='25 March 2010 - 08:45 PM' timestamp='1269560704' post='2080140']
thats not the worst of it.

http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=12205755






trying to kill someone and their family with a propane explosion?? and unless it was a very large property, a little tank of propane could level the house next to his as well. what the heck is wrong with people?
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To be fair, do we have any proof that this actually happened, besides the word of Mr. Perriello and the other Congressmen?

I'm not accusing him of lying, I'm just reserving judgment for now.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Winchester' date='25 March 2010 - 06:50 PM' timestamp='1269568200' post='2080219']
While it wouldn't [i]level[/i] it, the size of a propane tank explosion from the one above (assuming a real rupture from overpressure and an open flame) could involve more than one house. In fact, in suburbia, it probably would.
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true. it would be quite a catastrophe, and only really surprising if no one got seriously hurt or killed.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Hassan' date='25 March 2010 - 06:40 PM' timestamp='1269564015' post='2080186']
Take up a gun and go chill in the woods with some like minded friends then. [/quote]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsDqraOF3I4[/media]

[ardillacid]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='25 March 2010 - 09:31 PM' timestamp='1269567117' post='2080210']
What a disgusting comment.
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Oh come on, someone's gotta make you feel persecuted

[quote name='Winchester' date='25 March 2010 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1269568200' post='2080219']
While it wouldn't [i]level[/i] it, the size of a propane tank explosion from the one above (assuming a real rupture from overpressure and an open flame) could involve more than one house. In fact, in suburbia, it probably would.
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How is cutting the hose going to cause overpressure? Even if it did, its not going to even come close to leveling it. It might burn it down, if the fire department there smells of elderberries

More than likely they cut the hose and opened the valve, and all the propane dissipated into the atmosphere.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='notardillacid' date='25 March 2010 - 07:54 PM' timestamp='1269572044' post='2080257']
Oh come on, someone's gotta make you feel persecuted


How is cutting the hose going to cause overpressure? Even if it did, its not going to even come close to leveling it. It might burn it down, if the fire department there smells of elderberries

More than likely they cut the hose and opened the valve, and all the propane dissipated into the atmosphere.
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firstly, its a fuel gas. if it is free from its container it most likely wont burn it will just acheive a good air fuel mixture and explode. secondly its heavier than air, so it sinks to the ground and spreads out, concentrating and staying in depressions. it doenst just dissapear right away