IcePrincessKRS Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 After seeing how you treat people over there LJ I'm glad I don't post on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennC Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Hi LJ; [quote]...thats some pretty hard evidence against the case of the Catholic Church.[/quote] Depends if you read, view or hear from a Fundementalist mind set I suppose. Peace of Christ, Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 [quote name='Justified Saint' date='Apr 26 2004, 03:22 PM'] MrsFrozen was no doubt wondering because whatever pretensions you had about being "objective" and "learning" about Catholicism are betrayed by your often sarcastic and virulent posts. Perhaps in ignorance we have held you up to that standard of charity - when now it has become clear that you are hardly concerned with charity and hearing what others have to say. [/quote] Ice Princess, all they see is a mirror reflection of what they used to be...I agree that they could be a bit more charitable, but just like here, its their board...their rules. -------- and JS, how do you know I'm not learning? I'm learning what you believe and why... you will never be able to deconstruct my faith in Christ or God's word as the ultimate and final authority for any doctrine to be weighed against...and while I KNOW that you all are awesome people who seek to serve the Lord, I can't but come here and show you what I know...so you know what I believe and why, and to strengthen my beliefs and faith as well...so thank you. and I think that THIS is what gets to you. that I just won't give up. I love you guys... I really do... if not... I would be mean. and yeah, I'm not going to say that sometimes I can't be a bit sarcastic...biting at times, but its nothing I haven't gotten...not that thats a reason to do what I do...but hey, I know I'm not perfect and ask God to forgive me and give me more love... I'm just surprised by how you guys so blindly accept the fact that just because the church claims that its never changed, that it hasn't. I stand upon Christ and the Bible, the unwavering word of God...while you stand upon Christ AND Mary AND the Saints AND your host AND your sacramentals AND the writings of men and if they can make it fit, the Bible...seems like a little too much for one person to try to stand on at one time. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 We stand on Christ. I don't see how you can blindly assume the Church has changed when it hasn't. Sure there is more of it , but we have gone from 12 to 1 billion in 2000 years, so maybe that has something to do with it. If you think we are upset in any way that you are here, thats silly. This is the interfaith debate/discussion board. If we didn't want you here, there wouldn't be a specific board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 [quote] i never said I cared if anyone was charitable or uncharitable towards me...react how you will...I'll be okay, really. no biting or sarcasm intended...at least not in this one...at least not yet.[/quote] This is the same kind of thing that I did when I was on the previously mentioned website. Just because someone is mean to you doesn't mean that you can be mean to them. Just because someone is nice to you when they could be mean doesn't mean that you can be mean to them and just say, "Well, I'm okay if you're mean to me, even though you aren't, so you shouldn't care if I'm mean to you." Being mean is a bad thing, and giving a person an open chance to be mean is part of the sin of scandal. You should encourage no one to be mean, even if your reasoning is that you yourself are being mean. So frustrated... In Christ, Raphael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 true Raphael...but when I present questions from the Bible, and I'm presented with pregurgitated answers from ANY catholic document, without even considering taking some time to weigh what it says against the Bible for themselves... I can't help but to react the way I do... as I said...I pray for more love... thats what gets me...not angry...just kinda dumbstruck. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 26 2004, 03:11 PM'] oh and ps. unless you have photoshop pro or some other kind of editing program...its quite hard to misconstrue a picture. [/quote] umm, yeah. Like it's so hard for morally-challenged people to download a copy of Photoshop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 [quote]how do you know I'm not learning?[/quote] I know you aren't learning because you still cling to the same misrepresentations and distortions of Catholicism. You made up your mind about Catholicism before you came here - I don't know how long ago though. [quote]you will never be able to deconstruct my faith in Christ or God's word as the ultimate and final authority for any doctrine to be weighed against[/quote] And why would I want to do that? From Catholics you will get a resounding "Amen" for God's Word is the final authority as well. [quote]and I think that THIS is what gets to you that I just won't give up[/quote] What gets to me is your pretext of objective dialogue but in reality your posts are rank with hypocrisy. Perhaps that is what gets to me then, you won't give up your false pretensions. [quote]I'm just surprised by how you guys so blindly accept the fact that just because the church claims that its never changed, that it hasn't.[/quote] Is your acceptance of the Bible blind faith? Or have you engaged in critical and scholarly examination to determine the authenticity of the Bible? Do you believe because you can prove beyond resonable doubt that the Bible is truth? [quote]while you stand upon Christ AND Mary AND the Saints AND your host AND your sacramentals AND the writings of men[/quote] So plentiful is the Body of Christ and how He manifests His truth. Praise be to God! [quote]if they can make it fit, the Bible[/quote] Of course you have a different Bible than us. Did you research Luther's changing of the Bible before you accepted the current canon you adhere to? Still, I will continue to pray for charity even though you seem so opposed to giving it and receiving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 [quote]And why would I want to do that? From Catholics you will get a resounding "Amen" for God's Word is the final authority as well.[/quote] no. I wouldn't. every catholic here says that tradition has equal footing, if not greater authority to Scripture...no matter how errant. but its okay. [quote]What gets to me is your pretext of objective dialogue but in reality your posts are rank with hypocrisy. Perhaps that is what gets to me then, you won't give up your false pretensions.[/quote] rank with hypocrisy, eh? hahahaha I never thought I'd read that...ever. its okay JS...I'm not angry. I've asked for Biblical proof for all that you believe...and as of yet, I have yet to see anything other than scattered, out of context verses to support just about all your claims. this is not MY context I speak of, but the obvious original context under which the author wrote the epistle... but oh well... God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 [quote]LJ say: I've asked for Biblical proof for all that you believe...and as of yet, I have yet to see anything other than scattered, out of context verses to support just about all your claims.[/quote] I'm sorry LJ I see this the other way around, I have given you information, that you have ignored because it gives witness to the TRUTH God Bless Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 (edited) [quote]no. I wouldn't. every catholic here says that tradition has equal footing, if not greater authority to Scripture...no matter how errant. but its okay.[/quote] You just have another definition for "word", a definition that actually isn't scriptural. [quote]rank with hypocrisy, eh? hahahaha I never thought I'd read that...ever. its okay JS...I'm not angry.[/quote] It wasn't supposed to make you angry. [quote]I've asked for Biblical proof for all that you believe...and as of yet, I have yet to see anything other than scattered, out of context verses to support just about all your claims. this is not MY context I speak of, but the obvious original context under which the author wrote the epistle... but oh well... God bless. [/quote] I guess that is your problem then. We have given you answers but you are selective on which ones you will read, consider, respond to etc. Edited April 27, 2004 by Justified Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 on the contrary, I only get upset when you take the verses that the Catholic Church has chosen support it, and don't look at the passage how it was supposed to be looked at...as a whole, with its meaning. sure, call it private interpretation, thats fine... and what is "MY" interpretation of "word"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 Except then we are at the mercy of your understanding of the context. I feel the same way with how Protestants have their own proof-texts to show their doctrines even though they hack off all context - I have seen you do it plenty of times. God's Word is limited only to what is written down in the Bible for you I suspect, but Catholics understand God's Word more fully and truthfully. God is too powerful to be contained in the pages of a book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 FCFC needs prayers. lots and lots of prayers. FCFC is nothing new..... soemtimes the thing that keeps us from the Truth....is ourselves -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 [quote name='Justified Saint' date='Apr 26 2004, 08:00 PM'] Except then we are at the mercy of your understanding of the context. I feel the same way with how Protestants have their own proof-texts to show their doctrines even though they hack off all context - I have seen you do it plenty of times. God's Word is limited only to what is written down in the Bible for you I suspect, but Catholics understand God's Word more fully and truthfully. God is too powerful to be contained in the pages of a book. [/quote] if I must, I must... as I've said it many times before...it is NOT not not not not not not not MY understanding of the context, Justified Saint... it is the context in which the epistle was written... I dare not ask what I've taken out of context...you'd put every verese I've ever posted. the thing is, the Catholic Church has its own version of "context"... and that is, as Katholikos put it..."the Catholic Church will interpret the Bible the way it sees fit" that is the Catholic Church context...so, as long as it fits, its in context. and I've never said that God is contained in the pages of a book...but the truth that He spoke thru the Prophets, the Judges, the Kings, Jesus Christ and His Apostles is contained there in...and is more fruitful than any private revelation that any man in the Catholic Church has ever had. I've never had a private revelation, JS, despite what you may think. God, thru His servants, His Holy Spirit, and His word has been and IS pruning away at me all the time, teaching me, guiding me. you have trouble with this because the Catholic Church tells you it is wrong...because you are supposed to wait for them, and if you don't, you'll be excommunicated...labeled a heretic...thing is, you're not... but, its not like any of what I've posted right now will help... God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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