Glenn Beck Called Out By All Christian Denominations

[Hassan]

[quote name='Marie-Therese' date='13 March 2010 - 12:31 PM' timestamp='1268501488' post='2072374']
Conspiracy theories don't sound so crazy anymore when they turn out to be true. A lot of entities conspire to destroy America. Outside groups and governments hate what we stand for. Large groups of Americans hate what we stand for. Underneath it all there are unseen forces who want to destroy everyone. That's not being a conspiracy nut, that's understanding the cold hard truth about human nature and the Adversary.
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Like who?

[Hassan]

[quote name='Raphael' date='13 March 2010 - 01:06 PM' timestamp='1268503618' post='2072388']


I agree with what he's saying and I'd challenge those who call him a liar to prove it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsBvEnaXtgo

[Socrates]

[quote name='Ephrem Augustine' date='13 March 2010 - 01:46 PM' timestamp='1268505972' post='2072419']
The cold hard truth is, I have seen people who basically worship american materialism. I have known plenty of people from other countries who think that America is a great place. This just sounds a lot like Xenophobia.
Yet I am not saying that there are not groups who want to destroy America like you said... Glenn Beck, and the people I know who like him, are convinced that there are those, "unpatrotic, liberals" who want to "destroy" America. Those were the ones that I was referring to, and not Terrorists or whatever. Instead of there being a political process where people have different opinions on what the right thing is to do, it is thought that there are those who are deliberately, with malintented, trying to ruin the lives of well meaning Americans. Those kind of broad generalizations I have encountered from Glenn Beck and some of the people I know who watch him do not contribute to a healthy political process.
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Liberalism, by its ongoing attack on "traditional" morality, religion, and family, as well as its promotion of socialistic government and the erosion of individual responsibility, does indeed work to destroy America (or any healthy society, for that matter) whether its followers realize it or not.
In times past, a lot of those on the Left were in fact deliberately anti-American, or wished to remake America into a Marxist society. Today, I think, most liberals have simply been brainwashed by decades of leftist propaganda and political-correctness, and may actually think they are helping America, but I believe the values and agendas they promote seriously erode American society.
(And, no, I don't watch Glenn Beck.)

[Socrates]

[quote name='Raphael' date='13 March 2010 - 02:06 PM' timestamp='1268507219' post='2072435']
Conservativism by its nature is more of the same.

Christ is the only solution.
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True conservatism is the preservation and restoration to society of what the late Russell Kirk called "the Permanent Things."
[url="http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html"]Kirk's 10 Conservative Principles[/url]

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Maggie' date='13 March 2010 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1268506254' post='2072422']
+1
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+1

[quote name='Raphael' date='13 March 2010 - 02:06 PM' timestamp='1268507219' post='2072435']
Conservativism by its nature is more of the same.

Christ is the only solution.
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+1

[quote name='Socrates' date='13 March 2010 - 02:35 PM' timestamp='1268508957' post='2072450']
Liberalism, by its ongoing attack on "traditional" morality, religion, and family, as well as its promotion of socialistic government and the erosion of individual responsibility, does indeed work to destroy America (or any healthy society, for that matter) whether its followers realize it or not.
In times past, a lot of those on the Left were in fact deliberately anti-American, or wished to remake America into a Marxist society. Today, I think, most liberals have simply been brainwashed by decades of leftist propaganda and political-correctness, and may actually think they are helping America, but I believe the values and agendas they promote seriously erode American society.
(And, no, I don't watch Glenn Beck.)
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+1

I love you all...

[Jesus_lol]

I dislike Progessivism being called as a bad thing for its own sake. Progressivism(ie, not preserving the status quo) has done a lot of nice things for america. |(|correct me if im wrong) such as giving women suffrage(the right to vote), ending slavery, repealing prohibition, etc.

[quote name='http://streaksblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/teachable-moment-with-glenn-beck.html']When Beck uses the term, he simply applies it to whoever he dislikes, and assumes that the word means, or meant, one thing. Yet, look into it, and you find Progressives who are interested in helping immigrants in the cities, as well as those interested emphasizing the pseudo-scientific basis for racism. Progressives worked to make the work place safer, but others worked to make it more efficient. Progressives supported World War I as an opportunity to spread democracy, while others opposed it as a threat to reform. Progressives worked to expand rights for women and others worked very hard to deny women access to birth control or even sexual information. Progressives pushed to set aside natural resources and also to dam Hetch Hetchy. The Progressive period includes the creation of the NAACP and the resurgence of the modern Klan.[/quote]

[HisChildForever]

He called Geert Wilders a "fascist."

[Ephrem Augustine]

[quote name='Socrates' date='13 March 2010 - 02:35 PM' timestamp='1268508957' post='2072450']
Liberalism, by its ongoing attack on "traditional" morality, religion, and family, as well as its promotion of socialistic government and the erosion of individual responsibility, does indeed work to destroy America (or any healthy society, for that matter) whether its followers realize it or not.
In times past, a lot of those on the Left were in fact deliberately anti-American, or wished to remake America into a Marxist society. Today, I think, most liberals have simply been brainwashed by decades of leftist propaganda and political-correctness, and may actually think they are helping America, but I believe the values and agendas they promote seriously erode American society.
(And, no, I don't watch Glenn Beck.)
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So its not "mal-intent" then?
I think there is also a problem with the perpetual use of the word "attack" it already sets up those who disagree with us as enemies in a war.

[Hassan]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='13 March 2010 - 03:27 PM' timestamp='1268512072' post='2072468']
He called Geert Wilders a "fascist."
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No he didn't. He called said that the far right in Europe is fascist and the far left in europe is communist. He didn't call Geert Wilders himself a fascist.

He is correct, btw. And he's right about Europe and why people should be concerned. Europe has laws in plays to keep fanatics and extremists in check but there are still disturbing trends of far-righ (far-right, not simply conservative parties, which imho were a good thing in Europe after the liberal excesses after WWII) parties in Europe gaining traction.

[Nihil Obstat]

These days I'm getting more and more disillusioned with politics. A couple years ago I had no problem saying I'm conservative. Now more recently it's "I'm conservative but-". Now, moving forward, I feel more and more inclined to completely dissociate myself with politics and reject every category- conservative, liberal, libertarian, authoritarian... Let people figure out for themselves what I am. Just Catholic; that's it.
Of course, maybe that's just intellectual laziness. Maybe I just don't want to be forced to defend tricky positions.

Or maybe not. I don't know anymore.

[Ephrem Augustine]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='13 March 2010 - 09:38 PM' timestamp='1268534331' post='2072601']
These days I'm getting more and more disillusioned with politics. A couple years ago I had no problem saying I'm conservative. Now more recently it's "I'm conservative but-". Now, moving forward, I feel more and more inclined to completely dissociate myself with politics and reject every category- conservative, liberal, libertarian, authoritarian... Let people figure out for themselves what I am. Just Catholic; that's it.
Of course, maybe that's just intellectual laziness. Maybe I just don't want to be forced to defend tricky positions.

Or maybe not. I don't know anymore.
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Maybe its because you don't want to jump to conclusions and box others in, or be boxed in yourself. At least thats where I see myself.

I guess another question I would ask is: What if, in order to reach the perfect moral standard, you would have to alter society. Sometimes getting to moral perfection feels more like "progression," Especially when there are social structures that are meant to exclude others from participation in public life.

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='Hassan' date='13 March 2010 - 08:12 PM' timestamp='1268529163' post='2072558']
No he didn't. He called said that the far right in Europe is fascist and the far left in europe is communist. He didn't call Geert Wilders himself a fascist.

He is correct, btw. And he's right about Europe and why people should be concerned.
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This

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='13 March 2010 - 09:38 PM' timestamp='1268534331' post='2072601']
These days I'm getting more and more disillusioned with politics. A couple years ago I had no problem saying I'm conservative. Now more recently it's "I'm conservative but-". Now, moving forward, I feel more and more inclined to completely dissociate myself with politics and reject every category- conservative, liberal, libertarian, authoritarian... Let people figure out for themselves what I am. Just Catholic; that's it.
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Disillusioned with politics? What are you saying, man!? Just [i]look [/i]at what politics has done for people in the past 100 years alone! We're happier, more free, and justice is ubiquitous in and among the peoples of the world. Not like t was 120 years ago, when everyone was oppressed because of a lack of intervention in their daily lives. The [i]Church? [/i]Pshaw. What has the Church done for anyone?

~Sternhauser

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Raphael' date='12 March 2010 - 06:26 PM' timestamp='1268443581' post='2072087']
I'm convinced that Glenn Beck is 99% correct in his theories and political opinions.

I must also say that the Catholic Church's teachings on social justice are very strongly in support of his views. I just hope that the false view he's had of social justice from liberal Christians doesn't lead him to broad generalizations.
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+JMJ+
this may have already been posted, but I agree with the American Papist:
http://www.catholicvoteaction.org/blog/cva/index.php
[quote]So here goes, a note to the media. The “Social Justice” movement may have had noble intentions at one time, but devolved into a complete fraud. Political games took a huge priority over helping the poor. I have been active in the Social Justice movement in the Archdiocese of Chicago, whose own leaders will tell you it is an Alinskyite construct and has been an Front organization since the 1960’s. All types of trickery was used to get Church funding for sham organizations (ACORN for example) whose sole purpose was to irritate poor people while collecting money from the Church.

Many in the Hierarchy, Clergy, Archdiocese employees, and donors have become increasingly disturbed by the waste and fraud at these front organizations, and have taken action. A new team at the Archdiocese of Chicago has begun some very basic reforms, including

1) Not giving grants to any organizations that are first, second, or third parties in the promotion or support of abortion, contraception, or any activity contrary to Catholic moral teaching.

2) Seeing human development through a broader lens as reflected in “Caritas in Veritate” and other recent social encyclicals that address issues of abortion and contraception as being related to issues of material poverty. This means that pregnancy centers, abstinence/chastity education programs, and marriage strengthening organizations which serve the poor would be eligible for Catholic Campaign for Human Development ( CCHD) funding.

It may be possible to reform the Social Justice movement, and it may take some fireworks from Glenn Beck to get people to notice that they are not helping poor people by financing Leftist political schemesters. But there is still a lot of work to be done. In our parish, there was a long running series of commentary and protests against the Iraq War, for the length of the War. Fair enough, but as soon as Barack Obama was elected President, the protests immediately stopped, and the Social Justice committee has been quiet about escalating the Afghan War and the continuation of the Iraq War. It just might take Glenn Beck to fix this.[/quote]

[Thy Geekdom Come]

I'm considering a book on authentic social justice, but for right now, I'm just working on the beginning of my blog series on the topic.