Rebecca2009 Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I heard a talk by Fr. Donald Calloway called "Mary And The Priesthood." He said if you don't have a real relationship with the Mother of God, you (as a priest) "intrinsically become homosexual." And that if you don't have a relationship with Mary or don't even want one, you are not called to be a Priest. In this news story the men involved weren't priests, but...anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 The thing that gets me about this whole ordeal is that everyone is accusing the Catholic hierarchy of hypocrisy when it had nothing to do with any of our ordained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephrem Augustine Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 well hopefully the vatican need not bestow honors on this "gentleman" any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Where there is smoke there is some kind of fire. And I do not doubt one minute that many of these scandals are true and perhaps more I think need come into the light. And thank Goodness that this seems to be the case. The Lord is in the process of cleansing His Church. I prefer to have arrest and conviction before making up my mind. I know of three children who accused a family friend of abuse - when it all unravelled, they were not telling the truth but had "seen it on TV". The poor accused man suffered dreadfully. This is not so always I know and only one example - but where there is smoke there is some kind of fire. Hence I do prefer conviction through process of law and pray that mistakes are not made. The essence of these scandals I think will be besides conviction and repentence and forgiveness of abusers, and somehow I hope and pray healing for suffering victims - that processes are put firmly in place to prevent such terrible things in the future including cover ups. Blessings this Lent - Barb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 [quote name='eustace scrubb' date='08 March 2010 - 02:50 AM' timestamp='1268034618' post='2068683'] it's how badly the problem was handled for so many years that's what people are mad about, when you get to the root of it. [/quote] I agree. It's the blatant truth that bishops within the church knew about priests sexually abusing children but nevertheless moved the priests to a different parish instead of notifying the police. It's not the result of media perception. That's just the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 I tend to be mistrustful of media since most often it is about the dollar and sensationalism sells, hence I don't know how true to the actual facts this AAP article (through Google)may be. It was reported in todays Australian Catholic News from Church Resources. One very helpful thing I have learnt from my studies is to research sources especially on the web. Insofar as I am aware Church Resources is sound? (question)........please let me know if I am wrong. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5juMR1CosUNs-X1egBM5P3z1hGjkQD9EAHL680 [b]German minister: Vatican rule hurts abuse probes[/b] VATICAN CITY — Germany's justice minister says a Vatican secrecy rule is complicating prosecutors' probes of sexual abuse of children by Catholic clergy in the pope's homeland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melporcristo Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 [quote name='Rebecca2009' date='08 March 2010 - 06:44 AM' timestamp='1268055874' post='2068745'] I heard a talk by Fr. Donald Calloway called "Mary And The Priesthood." He said if you don't have a real relationship with the Mother of God, you (as a priest) "intrinsically become homosexual." And that if you don't have a relationship with Mary or don't even want one, you are not called to be a Priest. In this news story the men involved weren't priests, but...anyway.... [/quote] JMJT+ Way to go, Fr. Calloway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Normile Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 [quote name='Kitty' date='08 March 2010 - 09:32 PM' timestamp='1268101940' post='2069291'] I agree. It's the blatant truth that bishops within the church knew about priests sexually abusing children but nevertheless moved the priests to a different parish instead of notifying the police. It's not the result of media perception. That's just the truth. [/quote] I feel part of the problem is the priests job is to "go forward and forgive mens sins" at least that is what Jesus commanded. I am sure these paedophile priests probably asked for forgiveness, they were sent for help, although there is proof that these types of crimes/sins can not be helped to stop abusing victims, so what is a priest supposed to do, break the seal of the confessional and turn them over to the law? The best bet would be to sequester them away from any contact with children, but how could this be accomplished, a catholic jail? On a side note, I hear there are other sinners in the church too, keep that on the down-low. ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkaands Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 [quote name='Ed Normile' date='08 March 2010 - 11:09 PM' timestamp='1268111375' post='2069400'] I feel part of the problem is the priests job is to "go forward and forgive mens sins" at least that is what Jesus commanded. I am sure these paedophile priests probably asked for forgiveness, they were sent for help, although there is proof that these types of crimes/sins can not be helped to stop abusing victims, so what is a priest supposed to do, break the seal of the confessional and turn them over to the law? The best bet would be to sequester them away from any contact with children, but how could this be accomplished, a catholic jail? On a side note, I hear there are other sinners in the church too, keep that on the down-low. ed [/quote] Pedophile priests are a disaster to the Catholic Church---they are not 'other sinners'. These priests didn't perform sins leaked from the confessional; these were priests reported by concerned parents and their victims directly to the chanceries of their dioceses. The bishops who knew about these men should have had them dismissed from the priesthood. By the way, the founder of the Servants of the Paraclete, who sought to treat these men, and then found out that they were untreatable, [i]did[/i] seek to sequester them,by buying an island where they could be isolated--he was that appalled by these priests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Normile Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 [quote name='jkaands' date='09 March 2010 - 12:29 AM' timestamp='1268112553' post='2069417'] Pedophile priests are a disaster to the Catholic Church---they are not 'other sinners'. These priests didn't perform sins leaked from the confessional; these were priests reported by concerned parents and their victims directly to the chanceries of their dioceses. The bishops who knew about these men should have had them dismissed from the priesthood. By the way, the founder of the Servants of the Paraclete, who sought to treat these men, and then found out that they were untreatable, [i]did[/i] seek to sequester them,by buying an island where they could be isolated--he was that appalled by these priests. [/quote] I agree with you, I did not say they performed sins leaked from the seal of the confessional, I said what is a priest to do when and if they asked for forgiveness, as a paedophile, chances are they took the vows to place themselves in the situation to have access to children, my thoughts only, I say this as i notice that these types are always working near children, and if that was the case they may have counted on being able to hide behind the seal of the confessional. Pope JPII advised they be removed immediately from any contact with the public and if there was proof of the allegations of repeat offenders they would be turned over to the authorities for prosecution, a well received verdict here in the US. The US catholic council of bishops met in Texas and basically decided to ignore this. The island idea sounds very humane and more than fair to me, that way they could spend their solitude away from scandal and maybe have a chance to repent. ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 (edited) [b]quote name='Ed Normile' date='09 March 2010 - 03:39 PM' [/b] [quote]I feel part of the problem is the priests job is to "go forward and forgive mens sins" at least that is what Jesus commanded. I am sure these paedophile priests probably asked for forgiveness, they were sent for help, although there is proof that these types of crimes/sins can not be helped to stop abusing victims, so what is a priest supposed to do, break the seal of the confessional and turn them over to the law? The best bet would be to sequester them away from any contact with children, but how could this be accomplished, a catholic jail?[/quote] I am not sure about this, others may be able to confirm or otherwise. But I think that a penance can be given in Confession to confess to the police - and absolution is conditional on the penance being completed. I think possibly too that a priest confessing poedaphilia as a penance can be instructed to inform his bishop or religious order leadership. It then becomes the problem of our leadership of appropriate action to be taken to protect children. I would hope in this day and age with what is coming into the light that our leadership does fully understand the crime of poedaphilia and the best way to deal with such a situation - and in order to protect children. As I see things. [quote]On a side note, I hear there are other sinners in the church too, keep that on the down-low.[/quote] Goodness ed! More media sensationalism! More sinners in The Church - never! LOL Joking aside, poedaphilia is an appalling failure inflicting a lifelong injury on innocence - and it [u]seems[/u] that there is not much hope of any sort of rehabilitation for poedaphilia. This even being a slightest remotest of offchance, children need to be protected. Since the law does convict of poedaphilia, it seems that such people do know right from wrong and choose the wrong and have full control over themselves to make such a choice. This is how I understand it anyway. Protecting children needs to be an absolute priority! It is almost as if Jesus saw into our day (see quote below). Be all this as it may, no sin is beyond the forgiveness of God - none.........and we have to go and do likewise if we desire forgiveness for our own sins and no "yes but's" for us at all. [quote]http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=18&l=6&f=s#x 2 And Jesus calling unto him a little child, set him in the midst of them, 3 And said: Amen I say to you, unless you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, he is the greater in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And he that shall receive one such little child in my name, receiveth me. [quote]6 But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of scandals. For it must needs be that scandals come: but nevertheless woe to that man by whom the scandal cometh.[/quote][/quote] Edited March 9, 2010 by BarbaraTherese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbTherese Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='jkaands' date='09 March 2010 - 03:59 PM' timestamp='1268112553' post='2069417'] Pedophile priests are a disaster to the Catholic Church---they are not 'other sinners'. These priests didn't perform sins leaked from the confessional; these were priests reported by concerned parents and their victims directly to the chanceries of their dioceses. The bishops who knew about these men should have had them dismissed from the priesthood. By the way, the founder of the Servants of the Paraclete, who sought to treat these men, and then found out that they were untreatable, [i]did[/i] seek to sequester them,by buying an island where they could be isolated--he was that appalled by these priests. [/quote] Poedaphilia in our priesthood is the most appalling of terrible crimes and sins because it is a lifelong terrible injury on innocence, robbing them of that innocent time of childhood. It is an appalling offence too because it brings scandal into and to The Body of Christ. It is an offence too because it negatively affects most often the reputation of The Church. Sometimes these offences can be the cause or trigger for undermining people's Faith or even that they loose it all togther It may well be that such priests do need to be ordered into enclosure somewhere for purposes of repentance and some kind of rehabilitation if possible. The Church used to do this sort of thing in times past I think for certain offences, although I cannot recall poedaphilia not to say it did not exist - and it just may be necessary again. Certainly that they are not free to re offend. Our Church leadership is responsible and accountable for this surely to do all that they can, their very best, to protect children from those to whom The Church has given authority over them and a position of authority and trust. That trust is shattered and perhaps for life. I found this article about the Servants of the Paraclete - thank you for raising the subject: http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060525/news_1c25priests.html Blessings this Lent - Barb Edited March 9, 2010 by BarbaraTherese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eustace scrubb Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 yeah, i blame this almost entirely on the way the [i]American[/i] bishops handled it... and as someone who a priest tried to make his "special friend" when i was younger, i am rather irritated by the fact that the church was dismissive of claims of pedophelia until the lid finally blew off. so i'm really glad that Jesus said what he did about millstones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitty Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 [quote name='BarbaraTherese' date='09 March 2010 - 01:00 AM' timestamp='1268114432' post='2069448'] It may well be that such priests do need to be ordered into enclosure somewhere for purposes of repentance and some kind of rehabilitation if possible. [/quote] Prison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eustace scrubb Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Kitty' date='09 March 2010 - 12:41 PM' timestamp='1268152892' post='2069557'] Prison? [/quote] if this was a country where the rate of recidivism wasn't so high, i would agree. but that's a whole 'nother ball'o wax... Edited March 9, 2010 by eustace scrubb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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