Happy Feast Of St. Thomas Aquinas!

[Veridicus]

[quote name='dominicansoul' date='07 March 2010 - 02:16 PM' timestamp='1267992975' post='2068182']
...well, technically, all honour we give to Saints is honour to God...but that still doesn't mean that Sundays should be shared with any other than the Lord Himself...
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What about when Marian Holy days fall on Sunday?

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Veridicus' date='07 March 2010 - 03:24 PM' timestamp='1267993482' post='2068192']
What about when Marian Holy days fall on Sunday?
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...Our Lady was the only exception... I guess it's 'cos she's His mama!

[Apotheoun]

I am not familiar with the rubrics for the extraordinary (older) form of the Roman Rite breviary, so I cannot speak to whether or not the celebration of a saint's memorial is proper on a Sunday in the Roman Church, but different liturgical traditions celebrate Sunday in different ways. In the Byzantine tradition, for example, three of the Sundays of Great Fast are dedicated to the celebration of particular saint: (1) the second Sunday is dedicated to St. Gregory Palamas, while (2) the fourth Sunday is dedicated to St. John Climacus, and (3) the fifth Sunday involves a celebration of the life of St. Mary of Egypt. So it clearly is not unheard of to celebrate a saints day on a Sunday.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='dominicansoul' date='07 March 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1267993581' post='2068194']
...Our Lady was the only exception... I guess it's 'cos she's His mama!
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[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='07 March 2010 - 03:28 PM' timestamp='1267993731' post='2068196']
... [b]St. John Climacus[/b] ...
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+1

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Veridicus' date='07 March 2010 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1267993806' post='2068199']
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+1 4 the wins.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='dominicansoul' date='07 March 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1267993581' post='2068194']
...Our Lady was the only exception... I guess it's 'cos she's His mama!
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I'm fairly certain we celebrate the Solemnities of St. Joseph & the Nativity of St. John the Baptist when then they fall on Sundays as well...

[Saint Therese]

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Edited March 7, 2010 by Saint Therese

[Saint Therese]

[quote name='Veridicus' date='07 March 2010 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1267993806' post='2068199']
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[Slappo]

[quote name='Veridicus' date='07 March 2010 - 12:37 PM' timestamp='1267994222' post='2068207']
I'm fairly certain we celebrate the Solemnities of St. Joseph & the Nativity of St. John the Baptist when then they fall on Sundays as well...
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Incorrect (EDIT: Partially correct, please see bottom part of this post). In the Latin Rite of the Novus Ordo calendar, solemnities that would normally fall on a Sunday (edit: during Easter season) are either moved to the prior day or the next day (Saturday or Monday). I don't know if it is always Saturday or always Monday or how they decide, but I know we do not celebrate it on the normal Sunday.

Edit: I think it is usually (maybe always) moved to the previous day, Saturday. See below, it is normally anticipated on the previous Saturday.

There was actually one day a couple years ago where the solemnity of St. Joseph was going to fall during holy week on like a Tuesday and it was moved all the way to the prior Saturday. It landed on like the 15th rather than the 19th.


"Ceremonies of the Liturgical Year: A Manual for Clergy and All Involved in Liturgical Ministries" (314) instructs that those solemnities that fall during the Easter season (lent & easter) are anticipated on the previous Saturday when they fall on a Sunday. I haven't found anything on the celebration of solemnities during ordinary time or Christmas when they land on a Sunday. I'm thinking your correct when it is outside of the Easter season as some solemnities that are Holy Day's of Obligation are actually moved to the nearest Sunday. So the above post is only concerning the Easter season.


Sorry for all the additions to this post!

Edited March 7, 2010 by Slappo

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Slappo' date='07 March 2010 - 06:42 PM' timestamp='1268005349' post='2068359']
Incorrect. In the Latin Rite of the Novus Ordo calendar, solemnities that would normally fall on a Sunday are either moved to the prior day or the next day (Saturday or Monday). I don't know if it is always Saturday or always Monday or how they decide, but I know we do not celebrate it on the normal Sunday.
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No, you are incorrect.

In 2007, the Nativity of St. John the Baptist fell on a Sunday. In the Novus Ordo, this feast superseded what would have been Dominica XII per annum. You can confirm this by following [url="http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:f9boSEp-qggJ:www.usccb.org/liturgy/current/2007cal.pdf+2007+liturgical+calednar&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjw-VLMo5bxDge0fUa70xZLrGY3te4Z7W_8AIr8l6exHMDsNKOufiyhqIFul9HGQtloi5zufClhSA25260uKxb4GvWaaSYiivmJLNFH3vc4V7ppYx1r5NWH1fEVU5Q1430Ub9gn&sig=AHIEtbRo3Q6QB4UVknUDS-oOx6myhvZe6g"]this[/url] link to a 2007 liturgical calendar put forth by the USCCB.

[Slappo]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='07 March 2010 - 03:54 PM' timestamp='1268006094' post='2068366']
No, you are incorrect.

In 2007, the Nativity of St. John the Baptist fell on a Sunday. In the Novus Ordo, this feast superseded what would have been Dominica XII per annum. You can confirm this by following [url="http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:f9boSEp-qggJ:www.usccb.org/liturgy/current/2007cal.pdf+2007+liturgical+calednar&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjw-VLMo5bxDge0fUa70xZLrGY3te4Z7W_8AIr8l6exHMDsNKOufiyhqIFul9HGQtloi5zufClhSA25260uKxb4GvWaaSYiivmJLNFH3vc4V7ppYx1r5NWH1fEVU5Q1430Ub9gn&sig=AHIEtbRo3Q6QB4UVknUDS-oOx6myhvZe6g"]this[/url] link to a 2007 liturgical calendar put forth by the USCCB.
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I edited during your post. It is only during the Easter Season that such solemnities are moved.

[zunshynn]

[quote name='dominicansoul' date='07 March 2010 - 01:13 PM' timestamp='1267992806' post='2068178']
This...because Sunday should only be a day of honouring Our Lord and no other...extraordinary form, normal form, traditional, or non-traditional...doesn't matter...it's the Lord's Day....
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[quote name='dominicansoul' date='07 March 2010 - 01:16 PM' timestamp='1267992975' post='2068182']
...well, technically, all honour we give to Saints is honour to God...but that still doesn't mean that Sundays should be shared with any other than the Lord Himself...
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Well, as Rex pointed out, it IS the norm for the extraordinary form.


[quote name='dominicansoul' date='07 March 2010 - 01:22 PM' timestamp='1267993349' post='2068189']
...well, at least that was what was taught at the convent...even for great Dominican Saints as our brother, St. Thomas. If his feast landed on a Sunday...guess what? We were celebrating it the next day...Monday...
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Wouldn't the solemnity of Holy Father Dominic have superceded the celebration of an Ordinary Sunday though? (I'm just assuming Dominicans celebrate his feast as a solemnity, I don't know that for sure.) Franciscan solemnities, such as Our Lady of the Angels, and the feasts of Holy Father Dominic and Holy Mother Clare (for Poor Clares, not the rest of the order) are celebrated on Sundays if they fall on one. Other great Franciscans, like St. Anthony, don't even get the honor of being moved They are just fade into the abyss, a libation for our God, I suppose!

Edited March 8, 2010 by zunshynn

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='07 March 2010 - 01:56 PM' timestamp='1267988198' post='2068105']
The calendar for the ancient Roman Rite is normal. [url="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4159522.ece"]According to[/url] Caridnal Hoyos, the Holy Father wants the extraordinary form to be a normal part of every Latin Catholic's liturgical life.
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haha, don't even go there. I am not arguing with the validity of the traditional calendar.

[jeffpugh]

I like all the +1s that are being handed out in this thread. I even got to spot one on some win. Btw, I love the icon in the OP (that is Western iconography, right? Or am I reading the clues wrong?).