Aloysius Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' timestamp='1303659836' post='2231813'] it dont make sense why so many people would do full torture or 'enhanced interrogation' but wouldn't do all those lesser things, like a venial sin, or stealing a loaf of bread for a starving man. [/quote] In my opinion people are willing to let anger and vengence motivate their answer somewhat. Torturing the terrorist would harm someone who is doing evil. You're angry at him for trying to blow up millions, so you don't mind beating him senseless. But if a terrorist said "I will blow up this city if you don't go hurt this completely innocent person", it's a different story. Even with the seemingly inconsequential thefts described, because you don't have any anger against the people you're stealing from, but instead are helping the person you're angry at, you don't want to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) [font="Tahoma"][size="2"]Let me get this straight. A terrorist has a bomb hidden in NY and LA and I trust him. This does not compute. [/size][/font] [font="Tahoma"][size="2"]You needed one more option. [/size][/font][font="Tahoma"][size="2"]Put bullet in terrorist head. [/size][/font] Edited April 25, 2011 by Papist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share Posted April 26, 2011 it is always strange when it's par for course to kill terrorist, just not do even 'enhanced interrogation'. it is strange so many voted torture, i thought most here were adamantly opposed to all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' timestamp='1303832674' post='2233381'] it is strange so many voted torture, i thought most here were adamantly opposed to all that [/quote] Where you get that impression? Don't we read your posts? [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif[/img] Edited April 26, 2011 by Papist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) seems like people won't argue on my side, when i say enhanced interrogation or torture might in limited situations, be okay. they probably are out in hiding, cause it's aganst catholic teaching to support those things, and dont want to be rockin the boat Edited April 26, 2011 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' timestamp='1303834346' post='2233398'] seems like people won't argue on my side, when i say enhanced interrogation or torture might in limited situations, be okay. they probably are out in hiding, cause it's aganst catholic teaching to support those things, and dont want to be rockin the boat [/quote] How can anyone. You did not state what your side is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpence Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 what should i do and what would i do are probably pretty different... not gonna lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 You forgot options for "poke her with the cushions" and "putting her in the comfy chair". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 the below stuff from another thread reminded me of this thread..... and we should be able to conclude, that stealing a loaf of bread for a homeless man, if it was ordered by a terrorist, would not be immoral to do. ------------------ does this basically say that if you really need it, you can steal a loaf of bread? Catechism of the Catholic Church: Quote: 2408 The seventh commandment forbids theft, that is, usurping another's property against the reasonable will of the owner. There is no theft if consent can be presumed or if refusal is contrary to reason and the universal destination of goods.. said by a 'good catholic' and i'd think rightly so... Quote Originally Posted by Pieman333272 Is stealing ever justified? For example, if you need to steal to feed your family? What about stealing something back which was stolen from you? Unjustly taking or keeping the property of another (theft) is a violation of the seventh commandment, however with regard to your specific question, taking property of another in extreme circumstances of need is not theft if consent of the owner could be presumed or if refusal is contrary to reason and the universal destination of goods. (CCC 2408). Extreme circumstances would involve meeting the essential needs for food, shelter or clothing. So, yes taking food to keep your family from starving if you had no other recourse would not be theft. Not trying to encourage anyone to steal but just giving you the benefit of the teaching of the Church. As far as the second question, stealing something back that was stolen from you, I think it would depend on the particulars of the circumstances. If someone actually stole your private property then the transfer of custody and control doesn't negate your ownership so in most cases I'd say that you wouldn't be stealing but simply resuming custody of your own property by taking it back. This however is just my own opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catherine Therese Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I feel like some people must spend a lot of time watching "24" reruns... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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