God Is A He, And Can Never Be Called A "she"

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Ziggamafu' date='07 March 2010 - 09:44 PM' timestamp='1268016287' post='2068492']
Physically, she cannot help but be so. It is her anatomy to be passive, submissive, and receiving; and she cannot have a child but by surrendering to this aspect of her nature.
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I am not speaking in terms of physicality.

But since you are, it is also in her anatomy to be giving - when she gives birth, for instance.

[BarbTherese]

quote name='Veridicus'
[quote]I am of the opinion that a great deal of discontent and doctrinal confusion occurred within the Church because of the tendency of some during the sexual/feminist revolution to dismiss utterly those things in tradition which in any way had a patriarchal tone. To be sure there are plenty of examples in the Christian West where women were on the receiving end of misogyny.[/quote]

Well said.
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Like with the many developments in the Church after V2, I think we have a lot of work to do to find the appropriate balance.[/quote]
Very well said and I think and pray that perhaps Pope Benedict will take as a fair way along this path.

[quote]It is almost impossible for most women to comprehend how submission could be anything other than misogyny or an attempt to 'keep the woman down'. This does a great disservice to the Pauline language which describes the Church as bride to Christ her husband. It is not surprising there is such anticlerical/antiestablishment discontent in some folds of Catholics given the excessive license in (re)defining gender in a post-patriarchal West.[/quote]
Female paranoia?

[BarbTherese]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='08 March 2010 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1268006395' post='2068373']
According to revelation, woman came from man, just as the Church comes from Christ, and man comes from woman, just as Christ came from the Theotokos; and in this sacred mystery, God - from the very beginning - signified the complementarity and reciprocity that should exist between men and women, who find their fulfillment in communion with each other,[u][i] just as the persons of the Holy Trinity experience the fullness of their divine being in communion.[/i][/u]
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Excellent point!

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='BarbaraTherese' date='07 March 2010 - 10:30 PM' timestamp='1268019004' post='2068565']
Female paranoia?
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What on earth?

[Hassan]

[quote name='Ziggamafu' date='07 March 2010 - 09:44 PM' timestamp='1268016287' post='2068492']
Physically, she cannot help but be so. It is her anatomy to be passive, submissive, and receiving; and she cannot have a child but by surrendering to this aspect of her nature.
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What? How does this follow?

[BarbTherese]

[u]BarbaraTherese[/u], on 07 March 2010 - 10:30 PM, said:
Female paranoia?


[u]HisChildForever[/u] said:
What on earth?

[u] Barb[/u] replies LOL

[HisChildForever]

Perhaps you can explain yourself, you know, more than an "LOL."

[BarbTherese]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='08 March 2010 - 03:50 PM' timestamp='1268025625' post='2068625']
Perhaps you can explain yourself, you know, more than an "LOL."
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Sorry - my intention was not to offend. "Female paranoia?" was meant as a question and jestingly in reply to this from Veridicus:
[quote]It is almost impossible for most women to comprehend how submission could be anything other than misogyny or an attempt to 'keep the woman down'. This does a great disservice to the Pauline language which describes the Church as bride to Christ her husband. It is not surprising there is such anticlerical/antiestablishment discontent in some folds of Catholics given the excessive license in (re)defining gender in a post-patriarchal West[/quote]

[Hassan]

[quote name='BarbaraTherese' date='08 March 2010 - 01:13 AM' timestamp='1268028823' post='2068651']
Sorry - my intention was not to offend. "Female paranoia?" was meant as a question and jestingly in reply to this from Veridicus:
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This amuses me (now that it is explained). Once I achieve global domination I shall give you three fine heifer as a reward for making me laugh.

[BarbTherese]

[quote name='Hassan' date='08 March 2010 - 06:22 PM' timestamp='1268034745' post='2068685']
This amuses me (now that it is explained). Once I achieve global domination I shall give you three fine heifer as a reward for making me laugh.
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God bless! - Barb

[Ziggamafu]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='07 March 2010 - 09:53 PM' timestamp='1268016839' post='2068508']
I am not speaking in terms of physicality.

But since you are, it is also in her anatomy to be giving - when she gives birth, for instance.
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This entire thread has been about the sexual relationship between the man and the woman (the anatomical identities) as a sign of the relationship between God and His People. Our sexual identities are what make us masculine or feminine, and they determine our roles and vocations. We can secondarily participate in the opposite sex's nature, but that nature can never overtake the mark of our sexual identity; a man may be motherly, but he can never be a mother. A woman may be giving, but she can never give the seed. In the sexual relationship, the identities are clearly defined and, I argue, not without purpose; they are a sign of God's relationship to the world as a masculine relationship to femininity. The woman is, ultimately speaking, passive, submissive, and receiving. Of the two sexes only a woman can be impregnated (or at least given seed) entirely against her will; it is because of the sign of sexuality that rape is such a grave evil.

[Ziggamafu]

[quote name='Hassan' date='07 March 2010 - 11:07 PM' timestamp='1268021268' post='2068593']
What? How does this follow?
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The soil plays the passive, submissive, and receiving role of having seed implanted. The mighty earth may dwarf the tiny seed, indeed be able to crush it, but it is always weaker than the seed when the farmer sows. If it does not surrender to the farmer's active, invasive, and giving role penetration, a plant is not produced. And the farmer can by nature almost always force the seed to be planted. The point is that the male sexuality is the dominant one in the act of sex; he is the penetrater and not the penetrated, the invasive and not the submissive. The man's role is active; he is the giver.

[Hroswitha1943]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='05 March 2010 - 11:24 PM' timestamp='1267849477' post='2067366']
I was speaking specifically about the marital embrace.
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Women contribute equally to the genetic makeup of a child. The male semen contains only half the genetic information needed to make a human being. The egg contains the other half. A woman "sows" as much as a man. You should get yourself a good book on human (or mamalian) reproduction. It's a complex and beautiful process. Much more complex than Aristotle or St Thomas understood.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Ziggamafu' date='08 March 2010 - 07:44 AM' timestamp='1268052282' post='2068734']
The soil plays the passive, submissive, and receiving role of having seed implanted. The mighty earth may dwarf the tiny seed, indeed be able to crush it, but it is always weaker than the seed when the farmer sows. If it does not surrender to the farmer's active, invasive, and giving role penetration, a plant is not produced. And the farmer can by nature almost always force the seed to be planted. The point is that the male sexuality is the dominant one in the act of sex; he is the penetrater and not the penetrated, the invasive and not the submissive. The man's role is active; he is the giver.
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Women are just as active during the marital embrace as men are.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Hroswitha1943' date='08 March 2010 - 10:50 AM' timestamp='1268063415' post='2068778']
Women contribute equally to the genetic makeup of a child. The male semen contains only half the genetic information needed to make a human being. The egg contains the other half. A woman "sows" as much as a man. You should get yourself a good book on human (or mamalian) reproduction. It's a complex and beautiful process. Much more complex than Aristotle or St Thomas understood.
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I have NO CLUE why you are telling me to read up on reproduction, when it is painfully clear through my posts that I know exactly what happens. I have been responding to a portion of what Zig said in his original post. I highly suggest you read the thread in its entirely before you go telling me to read a book. Thanks.