Hoc Est Corpus Meum

[Veridicus]

So I google searched "Hoc est Corpus Meum" and the first few hits were anti-catholic apologetics sites whose main objective is seemingly to undermine our Eucharistic Faith through spreading anti-catholic vitriol. The [url="http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/hocest.htm"]second one[/url] suggested printing the contents of the webpage on blue paper and distributing its subversive message to unexpecting Catholics. It was very explicit in its position against the Catholic Faith: "Use the title, 'Hoc est Corpus Meum' so that the reader will think this is a tract exalting the Mass. Friend, this is war, and we intend to win in the Lord, right?" Within the spoiler is the text from that site followed by instructions on how to subvert Catholics.


[spoiler]Hoc est Corpus Meum

Hoc est Corpus Meum

The Roman Catholic priest raises the host up high at the climax of the Mass. He then speaks the above mystical Latin words, which mean, "This is my Body." In the modern Mass the priest may say, "Behold your Lord." Saint Liguori tells us that at this point the priest conceives, with his hands, The Christ, just as truly as Mary conceived Him in her womb.

You are expected to believe that the wafer before you is literally transformed into the Body of Christ. To deny this is blasphemy according to Canon law. The wine is also supposed to become the literal blood of Jesus. In this way, the priests of Rome create and kill Jesus every time they do the Mass. Isaiah 1:18, "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD..." God wants your faith to be reasonable as well as miraculous. Let us dare to ask some questions:

1. When you eat the wafer, and in some churches, drink the wine, does it taste like flesh and blood? Answer: NO. God nowhere in the Bible asks you to assassinate your mind for faith.

2. The question of Chris Jaramillo, a former Catholic-- "Brother, can you get drunk on blood?" Both priests and altar boys have been known to get tipsy polishing off the wine which was "turned to blood." Jesus' blood had no alcohol in it.

3. Many generations of Catholics have eaten the flesh and drunk the blood of God. This should have made them a super race by now, turning them genetically into half God and half man. Why don't you and other Catholics act like God? Why don't you live forever with Jesus' blood in you?

4. If the flesh and blood of God (the "host" and wine) do not enter your blood stream transforming you into a God-person, then where does the flesh and blood of God go? Answer: Down the toilet tomorrow morning.

The following verses are used by the Catholic priests to justify their claims that we must kill God and eat him in the literal sense: John 6:54, "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him."

But the priests carefully avoid the words of Jesus in verse 63, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." The soul-saving Gospel is not food and drink-- It is the Words of Jesus.

Also, regarding the eating of the literal sacrifice for sin, God absolutely forbid it in the Old Testament in Leviticus 6:30, "And no sin offering, whereof any of the blood is brought into the tabernacle of the congregation to reconcile withal in the holy place, shall be eaten: it shall be burnt in the fire."

More questions: Is God a wafer, a tasteless cookie god? Is this cracker The Christ? If arsenic was put into the wine before the Mass, would it still be only blood after the elevation of the Host? There is a minute amount of spider and bug juice in all wine which gets into it from the vineyards. Is this bug juice "Verily and Truly the Blood of Christ?" If a mouse got into the "Tabernacle" behind the altar and ate the Host, Jesus Christ, would the mouse droppings left later be God? Should the priest eat them? This HAS happened, so it is a serious question.

The Scripture has the first and last Word on this subject: Acts 2:32, "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."

Do you believe Peter? He said that Jesus was in heaven, alive, and seated with the Father in 33 AD. Is He a cookie there? Can some fornicating priest drag Christ off of His throne to chew on him next Saturday night?

Acts 7:56, "And (Stephen) said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God." This was not a dough boy in a monstrance which Stephen saw. It was the living Christ.

Indeed, it is pure blasphemy to claim that Jesus can be crucified over and over on the Catholic altar: Hebrews 6:4, "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift....." Verse 6, "If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."

There was only one sacrifice of Jesus Christ-- the one on the cross over 1900 years ago. If you crucify Christ again to yourself, you void the first sacrifice and leave yourself without hope.

Is there hope for those who have blasphemed Jesus by ritually crucifying him over and over? YES. Psalms 85:10, "Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other." I Thessalonians 5:9, "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ," You have an appointment with Christ to receive mercy IF you repent of your sin, and believe in His ONE finished sacrifice.

John 3:14, "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

You cannot eat and drink your salvation. It must come by your faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Will your God-given faith lead you to true salvation? I pray so.

For help call me at:

© Checkbook Tracts: PO Box 4728, Huachuca City, AZ 85616 1 (800) 338-8863 HOC EST

Instructions:

1. The copyright is only to control the content of the tract. You may make all the copies you can print and sell them also, but you may NOT change the content without my permission.

2. I suggest you print the tract on blue paper. This is the color of Mary and is used in much Catholic literature.

3. Use the title, "Hoc est Corpus Meum" so that the reader will think this is a tract exalting the Mass. Friend, this is war, and we intend to win in the Lord, right?

4. I would like you to put my address on the bottom of the tract, and please leave room for the person using it to add his name and phone number.
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My question for discussion is how do we counter this? I mean we post on this site and we each have an apologetic spirit in our local communities I am sure...but how do we counter when websites like this are the #1 or #2 hit on google? People searching the Latin Phrase "Hoc est Corpus Meum" are directed to this drivel and subverted before they ever find any truth they are looking for.

How do we respond to this form of aggression and subversion?

Edited February 20, 2010 by Veridicus

[Vincent Vega]

Do you suppose dumb people become anti-Catholic, or that anti-Catholic people become dumb?

[Resurrexi]

And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='19 February 2010 - 11:17 PM' timestamp='1266643078' post='2059819']
Do you suppose dumb people become anti-Catholic, or that anti-Catholic people become dumb?
[/quote]

I think dumb people are often bigots who find something to hate. And I think sin darkens the intellect.

[Marie-Therese]

I know this doesn't answer your apologetics question, but I saw a t shirt with "What part of Hoc Est Corpus Meum don't you understand?" on it, and I want it really bad.

[KeenanParkerII]

Anyone with a basic grasp of the Catechism or that paid attention during RCIA can easily refute this; unfortunately, a lot of people it seems don't have a basic grasp of the Catechism. Can you post the site, I couldn't find it at first glance and I'm feeling lazy.

Edited February 20, 2010 by KeenanParkerII

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Marie-Therese' date='19 February 2010 - 11:25 PM' timestamp='1266643522' post='2059824']
I know this doesn't answer your apologetics question, but I saw a t shirt with "What part of Hoc Est Corpus Meum don't you understand?" on it, and I want it really bad.
[/quote]

Yes...if Phatmass was selling it I would buy it. I bought their "Respect" bishop Tshirt.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='KeenanParkerII' date='19 February 2010 - 11:27 PM' timestamp='1266643622' post='2059825']
Anyone with a basic grasp of the Catechism or that paid attention during RCIA can easily refute this; unfortunately, a lot of people it seems don't have a basic grasp of the Catechism. Can you post the site, I couldn't find it at first glance and I'm feeling lazy.
[/quote]

I hyperlinked the words "second one" in my original post's first paragraph.

I was really disgusted by the numbered suggestions at the bottom. Its really subversive and proud of it.

[aalpha1989]

I really don't want to be a stickler, but...

Hoc est [i]enim[/i] corpus meum.

There's actually a really cool story about Martin Luther in dialogue with John Calvin about the Eucharist. Calvin couldn't admit that it was the True Presence and Luther pulled out his knife, stabbed the table, and carved the above words.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='aalpha1989' date='20 February 2010 - 12:45 AM' timestamp='1266644756' post='2059844']
I really don't want to be a stickler, but...

Hoc est [i]enim[/i] corpus meum.
[/quote]

However, the word "enim" is not necessary for the validity of the Sacrament.

Edited February 20, 2010 by Resurrexi

[Ed Normile]

[b]How do we respond to this form of aggression and subversion?[/b]

Veridicus, I would pray for them. You or I can not change their minds, only God can.

Come, Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful and enkindle in them the fire of your love.

Jesus, present in the Blessed Sacrament, have mercy on us and our erring brothers and sisters.

Precious Blood, flowing from the wound on the side of our crucified Lord Jesus Christ, wash away the sins of the world.


ed

[Slappo]

[quote name='aalpha1989' date='19 February 2010 - 09:45 PM' timestamp='1266644756' post='2059844']
I really don't want to be a stickler, but...

Hoc est [i]enim[/i] corpus meum.

There's actually a really cool story about Martin Luther in dialogue with John Calvin about the Eucharist. Calvin couldn't admit that it was the True Presence and Luther pulled out his knife, stabbed the table, and carved the above words.
[/quote]

That was my first thought! (about enim).

I actually went to go check the missal's of both the ordo and missa extraordinaria to make sure I wasn't imagining an extra word there.

[Hilde]

What part of hoc est corpus meum don't they understand?

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='Marie-Therese' date='20 February 2010 - 01:25 AM' timestamp='1266643522' post='2059824']
I know this doesn't answer your apologetics question, but I saw a t shirt with "What part of Hoc Est Corpus Meum don't you understand?" on it, and I want it really bad.
[/quote]
i have that shirt

[Sternhauser]

Substance and accidents, Veridicus. That's how you explain it. It is fortunate that Catholicism is one of the last bastions of any understanding of metaphysics. It is also [i]un[/i]fortunate that Catholicism is one of the last bastions of any understanding of metaphysics.

Even Einstein was allegedly entranced by the idea behind transubstantiation, and talked to a Fr. McTague about it for hours, having requested books on the subject written in German. He loved pondering the idea of a substance existing without its own accidents.

You might as well just go for the throat: simply ask them if they believe it is impossible for God to take on a physical form and substance as a sign of His love.

Remember: the best defense is a good offense. Don't let them frame the argument. Their theology and understanding of reality are already flawed.

~Sternhauser

Edited February 20, 2010 by Sternhauser