New Exciting Concordance From Heaven No Less...

[Bruce S]

Revelation, THE PROPHETIC book that ends accepted scripture, AND as you guys say...you WROTE THE BOOK all the time, ends with this statement:

[quote] 18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: [b]If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.[/b] 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
  [/quote]

Talk about adding additional revelations from... heaven?

Of such volumous magnitude that a Concordance is now needed to organize them all?

A CONCORDANCE!!??


[url="http://www.medjugorje.org/framconc.htm"]http://www.medjugorje.org/framconc.htm[/url]

Edited April 10, 2004 by Bruce S

[Livin_the_MASS]

I just tried again to do a webreview on it, couldn't find it again, bogus site brotha!

You want to understand the true meaning of Rev. I suggest Scott Hahn book:The Lambs Supper

[Livin_the_MASS]

Plus She doesn't add words to the Book come on!

Sheeh

Edited April 10, 2004 by Jason

[Bruce S]

Jason.

Are you aware that the link is to the OFFICIAL site at Medgujorjie?

OFFICIAL site. Not a bogus site, the SANCTIONED site.

Man, are you bad at discernment.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Apr 10 2004, 06:02 PM'] Jason.

Are you aware that the link is to the OFFICIAL site at Medgujorjie?

OFFICIAL site. Not a bogus site, the SANCTIONED site.

Man, are you bad at discernment. [/quote]
Peters.net can't find it so the site is not honored by them nor by me call it what you will whatever.

The Mother of God is not adding words to Scripture at Medgujorjie she is giving messages to children to give to the world.

Big difference BRO!

[Aloysius]

SANCTIONED by the folks who believe in Medgujorjie, not the Church. Let's remember, with Medgujorjie the Church hasn't even said the MESSAGE is worthy of belief, she has remained silent. To attack, say, the MESSAGE of Fatima (not whether or not it actually happened) is to attack the Church, but to attack the MESSAGE of Medgujorjie is not.

anyway, Jesus Christ is the fullness of revelation. After Him shall come nothing different, nothing new. Yet He said " I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when He comes, the Spirit of Truth, He will lead you into all truth" and so the teaching of the Church is being led into All Truth, by the Spirit of Truth Himself, the Third Person of the Most Holy Trinity. And when it comes to apparitions, it is supplementary to the Truth. Nothing new may be revealed from such things, but a message bringing people more deeply to the Truth revealed from the Bible. If the Church approves it, we know that whether or not it actually happened the MESSAGE is worthy of belief.

I do not believe in Medgujorjie, so i don't even know what kind of things may be in there. but i'm gonna say something that might knock you off your chair, bruce, you COULD be right. it's not impossible, because the Spirit has yet to guide us to know what's up with Medgujorjie's message, it could very well be false.

[Bruce S]

[quote]I do not believe in Medgujorjie, so i don't even know what kind of things may be in there. but i'm gonna say something that might knock you off your chair, bruce, you COULD be right. it's not impossible, because the Spirit has yet to guide us to know what's up with Medgujorjie's message, it could very well be false.[/quote]

It is.

That is why the 2nd commandment [the REAL one, not the doctored up one you have] warns about images, for Medgujorie and such is where it ultimately leads.

Floating "Angels of Light" giving NEW commands, very, very, very dangerous.

The Catholic Church may not have made this one official, but come on now, SHE certainly isn't warning folks is she, and all those LEADERS making pilgrimages, that sure makes the less educated BELIEVE it is official.

Hairsplitting again.

We all know WHO "can" be appearing, in fact, scripture pretty much tells us THIS WILL happen, but it isn't Mary that scripture said will be appearing, is it?

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Apr 10 2004, 06:14 PM'] SANCTIONED by the folks who believe in Medgujorjie, not the Church.  Let's remember, with Medgujorjie the Church hasn't even said the MESSAGE is worthy of belief, she has remained silent.  To attack, say, the MESSAGE of Fatima (not whether or not it actually happened) is to attack the Church, but to attack the MESSAGE of Medgujorjie is not. 

anyway, Jesus Christ is the fullness of revelation.  After Him shall come nothing different, nothing new.  Yet He said " I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.  But when He comes, the Spirit of Truth, He will lead you into all truth"  and so the teaching of the Church is being led into All Truth, by the Spirit of Truth Himself, the Third Person of the Most Holy Trinity.  And when it comes to apparitions, it is supplementary to the Truth.  Nothing new may be revealed from such things, but a message bringing people more deeply to the Truth revealed from the Bible.  If the Church approves it, we know that whether or not it actually happened the MESSAGE is worthy of belief. 

I do not believe in Medgujorjie, so i don't even know what kind of things may be in there.  but i'm gonna say something that might knock you off your chair, bruce, you COULD be right.  it's not impossible, because the Spirit has yet to guide us to know what's up with Medgujorjie's message, it could very well be false. [/quote]
Yes the Church gives you the right to believe or not to believe thats your choice. Test the spirits brother you can tell.

Touchie subject i won't get involved in a C and C discussion about it.

Edited April 10, 2004 by Jason

[Aloysius]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Apr 10 2004, 05:21 PM']
It is.

That is why the 2nd commandment [the REAL one, not the doctored up one you have] warns about images, for Medgujorie and such is where it ultimately leads.

Floating "Angels of Light" giving NEW commands, very, very, very dangerous.

The Catholic Church may not have made this one official, but come on now, SHE certainly isn't warning folks is she, and all those LEADERS making pilgrimages, that sure makes the less educated BELIEVE it is official.

Hairsplitting again.

We all know WHO "can" be appearing, in fact, scripture pretty much tells us THIS WILL happen, but it isn't Mary that scripture said will be appearing, is it? [/quote]
no, it's a woman that gives birth to the King of the World; i thought you read revelation

The second half of the FIRST COMMANDMENT, which you are referring to, we are not to have idols, definitely. nothing that takes our attention off of God. but members of our Church are not idols. My parish priest is not an idol to me, by good friends at my parish are not idols to me, nor are any people who are in the Heavenly Church idols to me. To have a picture of my friends at Church, or of my parish priest, is not an idol to me. It reminds me i'm connected to them through the body of Christ. to have an image of my friends in the Church Triumphant in heaven is not an idol to me. And for my friend to talk to me and share with me an insight about God is not an idol to me. For Mary to come to us and share with us an insight we are not seeing so well is not taking anything away from God.


If your pastor teaches you something you had previously not realized, is he bringing you another Gospel?

as long as the message is backed by the constant teaching of the Church (THE GOSPEL THE APOSTLES, ONES WHO ARE SENT, HAVE BROUGHT TO US) then it is not an addition, but rather an insight.. if i am not following Christ's message very well, and my friend let me know, or maybe Mary let me know, they are informing me of something that i already should have known, something that is part of Jesus Christ's message that i had never realized before.

and the Church doesn't warn people, or CONDEMN it, because as of yet she has seen nothing detrimental to the faith either. Currently the Church's position is that she does not yet consider the message worthy of belief, nor does she consider belief in the message detrimental. Maybe one day she will say, this message is good. or maybe one day she will find something within the message and say, this message is not trustworthy, and bad. Currently she has yet to see either way into it. I thought you didn't like it when the Church "claims to know everything"-- here, she is frankly admitting that Her Spouse, Christ, has yet to instruct her as to how to deal with this apparition.
Pax et Amorque Christi, Bruce.

[Bruce S]

Graven Images. That means THINGS, and STATUES

Thou shalt not MAKE... NOR... bow down to...

That is a two part instruction set.

And YES, it includes the pictures Protestants put in books too.

[Aloysius]

oh, I see...

i'm going to go burn all the things that remind me of God, you've convinced me with your out of context seperated portion of the first commandment.



GRAVEN basically means it was engraved, carved. so literally, we can't carve any statues. who wants to be the first to tell NYC we gottta topple the Statue of Liberty?

oh, by the way, someone might wanna tell GOD ALMIGHTY that, cause He commanded the Israelites to make two golden angels to put around the ark, and the ark was intended to be bowed down to in worship of God. I'm sure if we let Him know he'll fix it though

ummm... yeah... is there any other inappropriately sarcastic comment i can use to make my point? sorry, i guess i'm in a mood to make my point with sarcasm tonight. no offense intended. :Christian Hugs:

alrighty, umm... yeah. God has no ban on images that remind us of Him, He has even commanded them.

Pax et Amor

Edited April 10, 2004 by Aloysius

[Bruce S]

You might find this thread interesting, this one played it out from a Protestant VS Protestant understanding ...

Go read, it was really a VERY very well developed thread over it's entire life.

Now WE don't have this need to pitty patt ourselves on the back, so it really does have some depth to it that might be illuminating.

I want you all to notice that I am fairly consistant here, this is a mostly hard core Evangelical site, and I was just as hard hitting there, no, moreso, MUCH moreso than I am here.

here I'm a pussycat...purrr....meow.

[url="http://forums.christianity.com/html/P929309/?sb=post_replies;so=DESC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread"]http://forums.christianity.com/html/P92930...e=unread#unread[/url]

[luciana]

Hi, BTW, re:the quote from Revelation:"If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in[b]this[/b] book'". If you want to use it against Tradition, it falls apart, because literally it's talking about adding to the book of Revelation. And if you use those words as an argument for Sola sriptura, then you'd actually be saying Sola Torah, because in the Pentateuch, there's a similar punishment for adding to God's word.

[Bruce S]

I actually do agree it applies to REVELATION.

However, that is the ONLY book in the NT that specifically was foretelling.

The Marian apparitions really are VISIONS and that is what John is alluding to, IMHO, more revelations and projections.

I'm perhaps struggling a little here, this concept of being wary of Apparitions AT ALL is so foreign to you all here, to you, in your culture, this is NORMAL, but for others, it is not.

[Brother Adam]

When I was about 5 years old my mom bought me a toy that you sat on. It was like a flat wheet laying on the ground. You grabbed a handle in the middle of the toy and started to spin yourself around in circles until you got dizzy and threw up.