qfnol31 Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 [quote name='Ashley' date='Apr 11 2004, 04:15 PM'] Right.... The Vatican had close ties to Hitler and Nazism, profiting greatly from it. They willingly gave Rome's Jews into their hands for money and power. The Vatican's cardinals and bishops entertained Nazi officers. They refused to aid the Jews. They turned a blind eye to the Holocaust. Of course they aren' responsible...??? I must be missing something here, because true Christians were aiding the Jews (Christian churches, etc) while the Catholics ignored them and profited from delivering them to a certain death. [/quote] Ashley, Peace be with you! I like the example the Pope Blessed John XXIII gave. He himself wrote baptismal certificates for Jews claiming that they were Catholic, just to save their lives. (He was an archbishop at the time). I've heard numbers of between 5 and 6 millions Catholics died in the holocaust. (Most people ignore those numbers). The Pope and other priests decided not to speak out because every time someone did, the persecution became more strict. I leave you with this story, the story of St. Maximilian Kolbe, Martyr of Charity. Max Kolbe was a Franciscan priest who was eventually arrested and put into Auschwitz. One day a prisoner escaped so they had the entire camp stand at attention for the day. At the end, they chose 10 random people to die in isolation for the one prisoner's escape. A man, who I believe was a Jew, was chosen who had a family, and began to plead for his life. Max Kolbe stood up and asked the guards to take him instead. Miraculously they did, and so he was put into isolation. Well, eventually the guards poisoned him (after 2 weeks), but he died loving his enemies. That man Maximilian saved? He lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 [quote name='littleflower' date='JMJ+Apr 11 2004, 04:23 PM'] i invite you to read upon st. max kolbe ashley, i know you will enjoy learning about him. [url="http://www.auschwitz.dk/Kolbe.htm"]http://www.auschwitz.dk/Kolbe.htm[/url] [i]st. max kolbe....priest, martyr, saint....pray for us![/i] [/quote] Oops. I missed this my first time through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Ashley, the truth is that The Catholic Church is not the only Christian group that were involved in inquisitions, other Christian groups have also conducted their own, in many cases executing Catholics, you just don't hear about it. You shouldn't just accept everything you hear from one side of the story, because in some cases it may be extremely biased, false propoganda or sensationalised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 ashley = pwnt by this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immaculata Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 Has anyone seen Ashley around, or did we bore her to death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozencell Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 [quote name='Ashley' date='Apr 10 2004, 05:12 PM'] Don't worry, we (Jews) are willing to forgive [/quote] Good. Maybe then you will let it go, too. You can't forgive and then hold a grudge. it doesn't work that way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electricdisk Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 [quote name='Ashley' date='Apr 11 2004, 03:15 PM'] true Christians were aiding the Jews (Christian churches, etc) while the Catholics ignored them and profited from delivering them to a certain death. [/quote] Ashley, please go here and listen to one of my songs... I wrote it a while back, for this exact reason!!!! It is called "Assisi Underground" - The spoken words (from a true story) are about protecting Jews during their persecution in Italy during WWII. It is track #4 on the page at this link..... [url="http://www.electricdisk.com/rev121/"]http://www.electricdisk.com/rev121/[/url] I am Catholic. --mlfg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted April 12, 2004 Share Posted April 12, 2004 I think she couldn't defend the indefendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted April 13, 2004 Author Share Posted April 13, 2004 No I am still here. I was just stating what history plainly shows. One more thing: If you are going to ask me to practice charity practice it yourself. One thing that is always there at the Baptist Board and is lacking here and loving acceptance of you no matter what your beliefs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 [quote name='Ashley' date='Apr 12 2004, 06:51 PM'] No I am still here. I was just stating what history plainly shows. One more thing: If you are going to ask me to practice charity practice it yourself. One thing that is always there at the Baptist Board and is lacking here and loving acceptance of you no matter what your beliefs are. [/quote] hmmm....if i recall they banned alot of ppl there. even before they made one post, when they registered!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Apr 12 2004, 06:37 PM'] I think she couldn't defend the indefendable. [/quote] I do say sorry. But your postion seems to lack base. I agree with you stating what you know. "I was just stating what history plainly shows." Where? I don't even think Zinn would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiciblanche Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 [quote name='Ashley' date='Apr 10 2004, 04:12 PM'] Don't worry, we (Jews) are willing to forgive [/quote] You're willing to forgive us, yet you want us to "Die, Catholics, die?" That seems a bit contradictory, my dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiciblanche Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 [quote name='Ashley' date='Apr 11 2004, 03:15 PM'] I must be missing something here, because true Christians were aiding the Jews (Christian churches, etc) while the Catholics ignored them and profited from delivering them to a certain death. [/quote] First of all, I don't remember any of that. Secondly, what are you saying? Catholics are Christians, a Christian Church, the first Christian Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted April 13, 2004 Share Posted April 13, 2004 [quote name='voiciblanche' date='Apr 12 2004, 08:02 PM'] You're willing to forgive us, yet you want us to "Die, Catholics, die?" That seems a bit contradictory, my dear. [/quote] Oxymoron alert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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