Responding To The Crusades

[KeenanParkerII]

If my first year history serves well, the entire population of Europe was about 65 million between the first and second crusades. I think someone is exaggerating.. just a little bit.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Veridicus' date='29 January 2010 - 05:50 AM' timestamp='1264773044' post='2047211']
I don't remember the papal bull legitimizing rape or murder? Perhaps you could quote that for me. And killing in war is not necessarily illicit killing.



That was actually the 4th Crusade where Constantinople was sacked.
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no, the pope didnt legitimize it, but it still happened, and many officials encouraged or stodd by while it did. thats why i think the crusades where evil, despite their intentions.


i thought the fourth one was the last one? or are you counting the indiana jones movie?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='29 January 2010 - 11:45 AM' timestamp='1264779907' post='2047246']
no, the pope didnt legitimize it, but it still happened, and many officials encouraged or stodd by while it did. thats why i think the crusades where evil, despite their intentions.


i thought the fourth one was the last one? or are you counting the indiana jones movie?
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O so someone goes outand does something even when not authorized, so you still blame the church??? nice.....

[Winchester]

I don't take it as blaming the Church, but as stating that human actions are monolithic.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Winchester' date='29 January 2010 - 11:41 AM' timestamp='1264783298' post='2047258']
I don't take it.. uh huh...
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Btw, I meant this kind of radical:

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[Winchester]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='29 January 2010 - 12:47 PM' timestamp='1264787272' post='2047277']
Btw, I meant this kind of radical:

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wish granted.

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='29 January 2010 - 08:33 AM' timestamp='1264782786' post='2047256']
O so someone goes outand does something even when not authorized, so you still blame the church??? nice.....
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actually i wasnt blaming the church. i was blaming the crusades. personally i think the crusades were a very bad thing, despite that they may have started in the best intentions, they quickly went south, but continued to do so.

yes, the pope didnt order any of the bad stuff. so yeah, the pope is ok. but there were a whole lot more people than just the pope in charge of the crusades, and i blame a lot of them.

in other words, church ok, crusades bad, people who ran the crusades during the bad time = bad

[Winchester]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='29 January 2010 - 12:53 PM' timestamp='1264787585' post='2047285']
NO U![/quote]

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Winchester' date='29 January 2010 - 12:51 PM' timestamp='1264787514' post='2047282']
wish granted.
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[Winchester]

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