The Divided

[Livin_the_MASS]

"Although now into many hundreds of denominations, the original families of Protestantism were five: the [i]Lutheran, Calvanist, Zwinglian, Anglican and Congregational. [/i]Thier basic beliefs are:

1) [b][i]The Bible is the only rule of faith, excluding tradition and Church Authority.[/i][/b]

2) [b][i]Justification by faith alone, excluding supernatural merit and good works.[/i][/b]

3) [b][i]The universal priesthood of believers, excluding a distinct priesthood.[/i][/b]

"There is at work in Protestantism a process of disintegration, which apparently nothing can check; for all these humanly created sects originate from the notion that dissatisfied members of a church have a right to leave it and found another, which they call "reformed" -- all of which are "reformations" of other "reformations" of the original Luther's "Reformation!"

"In the August/September issue, 2002, of [i]Homilietic and Pastoral Review[/i], page 48, this statement is printed: [b]"Today, there is a new religion starting every five days."[/b] These statistics have been gathered by former Protestant Minister who have converted to the Catholic Faith."

"The inability of Protestants to agree among themselves proves that Protestantism is a false system; for every Protestant church that teaches one doctrine, there is a Protestant church that denies it. And because the Protestant churches owe their existence to the fact that each denies that the other really know what Scripture means, there is not a Protestant church --- [b]instead, there are hundreds of different brands of Protestantism.[/b]

[b]"Christ promised that His Church would not fail;[/b] Protestant reformers said that it did fail. Just as no ordinary citizen has the right to enter a court and declare himself judge, so too no man has the right to set up new churches or new doctrines.

"Rev. Dr. Goudge, Professor of Anglican theology, has stated, [b]"The New Testament absolutely requires Church unity.[/b] The various sects have adopted isolated aspects of Christianity. But Dr. Goudge says that "Christianity [i]a la cart[/i] will not do. [b]The religion of Christ must be accepted or rejected as a whole."[/b]

"Rev. Dr. Briggs, a Presbyterian scholar, says that, "while there can be a unity of the Christian spirit without unity of authority, there can be no Church unity without unity of authority."

"Robert Hugh Benson, the son of a former Archbishop of Canterbury, became a Catholic. In his book, Christ in the Church, he writes: "It is impossible to make men of one nation agree even on political matter. Yet the Catholic Church makes men of all nations agree on religion doctrines. When I was a student at Cambridge, I often used to find in the lecture hall, men of one nation and six religions. When I became a student in the University of Rome, I found in the one room, men of six nations and one religion. Is it conceivable that it is a merely human power that makes such a thing possible?"

[b]"Christ, being God, possessed wisdom and knowledge in an infinite degree. With Him there could be no such thing as aimless intention or wasted effort. He had a definite goal for eveything He did. He came to save souls; therefore, he would not have created such confusion by founding many churches with conflicting doctrines. He foresaw and predicted such divisions.[/b] "[b][i][u]There will arise false Christs," He said, "to deceive if possible even the elect"[/u][/i][/b] (Mt 24:24)

"Christ said of His Church: "The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it"(Mt 16:18).
In alphabetical order, here is what the gates of Hell did with the Protestant Churches, by prevailing against them since their break in 1517......)


No way can I type all of them so I counted instead it is 176 different Protestant churches (WOW). This is a quote from the book called "Does this shock you" by: Louis Kaczmarek. I think his words and facts speak for themselves. Information good to know!!!


God Bless
Jason

[Livin_the_MASS]

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[Livin_the_MASS]

I did this one for you Bruce!

[Bruce S]

[quote]I did this for you, Bruce[/quote]

Why THANK you Jason, I was hoping someone would ask again...

[quote]If the Roman Catholic apologist wants instead to cite 8,196 idiosyncrasies within Protestantism,In short, Roman Catholic apologists have hurriedly, carelessly—and, as a result, irresponsibly—glanced at Barrett’s work, found a large number (22,189), and arrived at all sorts of absurdities that Barrett never concluded. One can only hope that, upon reading this critique, Roman Catholic apologists will finally put this argument to bed. [b]T

he more likely scenario, however, is that the death of this argument will come about only when Evangelicals consistently point out this error—and correct it—each time it is raised by a Roman Catholic apologist. Sooner or later they will grow weary of the embarrassment that accompanies citing erroneous figures in a public forum.[/b] [/quote]

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=5128"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=5128[/url]

Edited April 10, 2004 by Bruce S

[Livin_the_MASS]

The book I quoted from was written around 2000 so ya the Protestant sect just keep going and going and going. Energizer Bunny! :bunny:

he he

Edited April 10, 2004 by Jason

[Livin_the_MASS]

[b]"The New Testament absolutely requires Church unity. The various sects have adopted isolated aspects of Christianity. But Dr. Goudge says that "Christianity a la cart will not do. The religion of Christ must be accepted or rejected as a whole."[/b]

[Bruce S]

[quote]"The New Testament absolutely requires Church unity. The various sects have adopted isolated aspects of Christianity. But Dr. Goudge says that "Christianity a la cart will not do. [b]The religion of Christ must be accepted or rejected as a whole."[/b][/quote]

Then, Jason, explain all those various Church councils over the centuries. Christ died before 34 AD, and every word he uttered and recorded, was done before 100 AD.

Some say salvation is "only found within the Catholic church" others, inconviently the current sitting Pope, said, no so. Seems to me that you can't accept both sides without noticing the historical inconsistancies....

So, splain to me why your denomination believes in MORE and MORE and MORE "Development of Doctrine"

How could we ALL "accept" the Immaculate Conception, since YOU yourselves didn't even agree UNIVERSALLY on it for almost two thousand years? Or should we just forgettabout that too?

Man, think boy, think.

So, do we reject anything new the Catholic Church comes up with next year, or should next months revelations from Medjugurie be rejected, since NOW we don't what those mystics will hear?

Logic isn't your strong point, is it?

Oh, you didn't comment on the Bartlett article, and I DEMAND you address it, since YOU brought the topic up.

Edited April 10, 2004 by Bruce S

[Livin_the_MASS]

[b][u]John 16:13[/u][/b]




[b]"But when he comes, the Spirit of Truth, he will guide you to all truth."[/b]

[Bruce S]

[quote]John 16:13 - "But when he comes, the Spirit of Truth, he will guide you to all truth." [/quote]

I guess He did.

And does.

And will.

And the Holy Spirit, last time I checked, doesn't belong to any denomination, nor does He believe in the sacramental system, or have you asked Him if HE is now a member of the Roman Catholic denomination?

And when He first came, at Pentecost, they ALL spoke in tounges, as the spirit lead them...right?

So, what happened to Mainline Catholics and those Gifts?

Oh, forgot, everyone here on this site thinks Charismatic Catholics are goners, of course, there goes the uniform, we are right all the time theory again.

AND. If you agree that tounges are for today, as the Charismatics do, why doesn't the Catholic church PROMOTE that, instead of hiding it in some back alley?

[Livin_the_MASS]

"When the time for Pentecost was fulfilled, [b]they were all in one place together[/b]. And suddenly there came from the sky a noise like a strong driving wind, and it filled the entire house in which they were. Then appeared to them tongues as of fire, which parted and came to rest on each one of them.
Acts 2:1-3

Details Bruce got to have the details, they were in ONE place the tounges of fire split coming from ONE source The Holy Spirit.

Do better than that
Jason

[Livin_the_MASS]

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[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote]"Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers,
for I became your father in Christ Jesus
through the gospel.  Therefore, I urge you,
be imitators of me."

~ St. Paul the Apostle's  admonishment to the Corinthians
1 Cor 4:14-17 [/quote]

[Livin_the_MASS]

"Tired of Being Your Own Pope?

So, Jesus and the bible
is your authority...you say?

Then why is it that no matter what you believe as a christian,you will not find two christians
who believe as you do?


"But who do you say that I am?"

Only Peter, of all the apostles
could answer him correctly. And so Jesus said to him:

"Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah.
For flesh and blood has not revealed this
to you, but my heavenly Father.

And so I say to you, you are Peter,
And upon this rock I will build my church,
and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Matthew 16:15-19


There is only One God,

God has only one Son,

Christ established only one church


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If after 2000 years we ain't got it...
nobody does!! "

[the lumberjack]

and yes folks, here we have it again.

Automated Answer no. 1698.


Peter the Rock, and 2000 years....in all its splendor.


and Bro Adam...its not JUST that we're tired of hearing the same thing rererererere and regurgitated over and over again. its that whenever Bruce or I bring up a point, or anyone else for that matter, no rebuttal is given. Instead...we get this neat, pretty little nugget of something.

oohh...and I'm sorry...its Peter the rock..NOT Peter the Rock...at least thats the way EVERY Bible I've read has it.

God bless.

[Archangel]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 11 2004, 12:27 AM']and yes folks, here we have it again.

Automated Answer no. 1698.[/quote]
This joke has gotten old real fast.

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='Apr 11 2004, 12:27 AM']oohh...and I'm sorry...its Peter the rock..NOT Peter the Rock...at least thats the way EVERY Bible I've read has it.[/quote]

Upper or lower case doesn't change that fact that the true church that Jesus started is the one built on Peter -- the Catholic Church.