KeenanParkerII Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Following the consecration of the Eucharist, everyone at my Church sits down.. in the pews.. on their butts.. while our Lord is there in the building.. Quote from the General Instructions of the Roman Missal (as quoted by Cappie): After the Sign of Peace, the priests break the bread and we pray together: "Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world: have mercy on us...." [b]Now we kneel until we stand up to receive communion. [/b] Well nobody does this, which tells me that they don't even know why we kneel, and that this has gone on long enough that everyone thinks it's normal. (I've only noticed one or two people who kneel until they receive communion.) So should I bring this up with my RCIA instructor, or go to another parish, orrr...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 [quote name='KeenanParkerII' date='19 January 2010 - 10:20 PM' timestamp='1263957632' post='2040473'] Following the consecration of the Eucharist, everyone at my Church sits down.. in the pews.. on their butts.. while our Lord is there in the building.. Quote from the General Instructions of the Roman Missal (as quoted by Cappie): After the Sign of Peace, the priests break the bread and we pray together: "Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world: have mercy on us...." [b]Now we kneel until we stand up to receive communion. [/b] Well nobody does this, which tells me that they don't even know why we kneel, and that this has gone on long enough that everyone thinks it's normal. (I've only noticed one or two people who kneel until they receive communion.) So should I bring this up with my RCIA instructor, or go to another parish, orrr...? [/quote] You can fight it or not. Fighting it you may be vilified or simply ignored. Walking away when you could have done something may always be in the back of your mind. I would stand for truth, and say something then choose my options of leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ora et Labora Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Wow. That's very sad! ! I wouldn't want to go to a parish that acts accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 The GIRM is explicit in its stating that the congregation should kneel at this point. Tell the priest you were following along in the Missal and wondered why his parish doesn't follow what it says. I'd be interested in what he had to say. One of the heterodox parishes in my diocese has a laminated card explaining that they don't kneel during the Eucharistic Liturgy because this was the practice of the early Church and it was actually "forbidden to kneel on Sunday Eucharists". Hence he violates the official current teaching of the Church in a haphazard antiquarianism. Perhaps your priest has a better reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeenanParkerII Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) I haven't even talked to the priest yet. I'm still a catechuminate. However, I'm going to have to say something. Luckily I have another Church nearby and the Cathedral fairly close should no good come of this. Edited January 20, 2010 by KeenanParkerII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Therese Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I hope you do speak up. God bless you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 If you do speak up, please remember to be polite about it. You're more likely to get a positive response if you are charitable, sincere, and firm. You don't want them to think that you're doing this out of pride. St. Catherine of Sienna stood up to the pope and spoke her mind to convince him to go back to Rome where he belonged and she did this in all humility and she was successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 They may not be following the GIRM properly, but that doesn't make it heresy. Take a breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 [quote name='Luigi' date='20 January 2010 - 12:18 AM' timestamp='1263964681' post='2040581'] They may not be following the GIRM properly, but that doesn't make it heresy. Take a breath. [/quote] Right on. Technically in order to be a heretic, one has to be aware Church teaching and realize that it is wrong, yet go along with it anyway rejecting that truth. Perhaps one or multiple people are being heretics in this situation, or perhaps they simply don't know any better and are just following along with what they think they are supposed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 [quote name='tinytherese' date='19 January 2010 - 11:26 PM' timestamp='1263965191' post='2040587'] Right on. Technically in order to be a heretic, one has to be aware Church teaching and realize that it is wrong, yet go along with it anyway rejecting that truth. Perhaps one or multiple people are being heretics in this situation, or perhaps they simply don't know any better and are just following along with what they think they are supposed to do. [/quote] Heresy is a very charged and strong word. It's not really for us laity to make such accusations. However, laity are capable of recognizing when other laity or even clergy are being flagrantly disobedient to the teachings of the Church. Intractable disobedience is a very dangerous thing for the life of the Church, especially when it has as its source the pastor. If it bothers you so much you should, as has been suggested, inquire to the pastor why things are being done the way they are when it says something different in the official books. As with everything, be temperate and respectful. Don't tell the priest he's a heretic! (even if he is being disobedient or egotistical) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 [quote name='KeenanParkerII' date='19 January 2010 - 11:20 PM' timestamp='1263957632' post='2040473'] Following the consecration of the Eucharist, everyone at my Church sits down.. in the pews.. on their butts.. while our Lord is there in the building.. Quote from the General Instructions of the Roman Missal (as quoted by Cappie): After the Sign of Peace, the priests break the bread and we pray together: "Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world: have mercy on us...." [b]Now we kneel until we stand up to receive communion. [/b] Well nobody does this, which tells me that they don't even know why we kneel, and that this has gone on long enough that everyone thinks it's normal. (I've only noticed one or two people who kneel until they receive communion.) So should I bring this up with my RCIA instructor, or go to another parish, orrr...? [/quote] Why don't you just kneel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 It actually isn't a heresy at all. It is disobedience towards the disciplines of the Church. For it to be a heresy it would have to be a denial of doctrine or dogma. As the GIRM is neither doctrine or dogma but instruction (general [b]instructions[/b] of the roman missal) it is not heretical. An example of heresy is Arianism which denies the full humanity and divinity of Jesus. It is a dogma that Christ is fully divine and fully human. That is not to say that it is not a problem or that it is okay for your parish to do that. My entire diocese does that and I just kneel after the Lamb of God anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King's Rook's Pawn Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I'm confused. Isn't He always present in the building, being in the tabernacle? We sit back down after every is done receiving Communion. Is that okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 [quote name='King's Rook's Pawn' date='20 January 2010 - 06:12 PM' timestamp='1264025521' post='2041040'] I'm confused. Isn't He always present in the building, being in the tabernacle? We sit back down after every is done receiving Communion. Is that okay? [/quote] After Communion you are supposed to say a prayer of thanksgiving and then sit down. But during the Consecration we are to KNEEL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zvezdana Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 [quote name='Veridicus' date='19 January 2010 - 11:33 PM' timestamp='1263958439' post='2040483'] One of the heterodox parishes in my diocese has a laminated card explaining that they don't kneel during the Eucharistic Liturgy because this was the practice of the early Church and it was actually "forbidden to kneel on Sunday Eucharists". Hence he violates the official current teaching of the Church in a haphazard antiquarianism. Perhaps your priest has a better reason. [/quote] There are many accurate reasons, including the one cited above (which is, I believe, from St. Clement of Alexandria's writing [though I could be wrong]) to follow some sit-stand-kneel differences than those commonly practiced by Roman Catholics in America--please remember that Catholics, including Roman Rite Catholics, have varying, though equally valid, traditions for such small things. That said, I would encourage you to talk to your pastor with a humble heart as TinyTherese encouraged you--remember [i]why[/i] we kneel, to show our love and defference to God, not because the Missal said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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