JP2Iloveyou Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Rockford huh? You will probably be going to St. Gregory the Greatin Seward, Nebraska. It's a fantastic seminary. I know quite a few guys there now. Good luck. also, regarding Goodbye Goodmen. I've read it twice and it is a good book. I have no doubt that a lot of it was indeed factual, but in my experiences with seminaries in the United States, which albeit has been mostly limited to the midwest, the current seminary scene in the U.S. is MUCH, MUCH better than Rose portrays it. I have also heard that he did a very poor job of cross-referncing his sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 [quote name='CreepyCrawler' date='Apr 16 2004, 02:02 PM'] Back to the original point of this post, I think. I have a question: what's the big deal if more women get involved in ministry as long as they're not priests? The most special thing about being a priest is doing Mass and being a part of the mystery of the Transubstantiation (I'm not sure how to word it w/o making sound like magic). And the priestly vocation is closed to women, so I don't think that people should feel like the priesthood is being threatened just because a woman is in charge of accounting or music or even parish activities. The priesthood is more than just management of churches, right? That's my opinion. [/quote] Pax Creepy, The important thing to remember is that women have a place in the Church. Always have always will. And its not for Priestly orders, or Priestly actions such as the nun that was in Bruce's first post was doing. If women want to be ordained that can be ordained as Nuns. Theres honor and graces in that. One of the big reasons why women step up now and say they wanna be Priests is when all that 'equal rights' thing happened. Its selfish and they are not thinking about God's plan for them, but rather what they want for them. Think Mother Teresa ever asked to be a Priest? Of course not. Why? Because she knew God's plan for her. She knew she had a place in the Church. Thank God the Holy Father put a close to this stupid debate about women Priests. They never will become one, now if we can just get the lazy Priests and Bishops, like the one's that allowed that Nun above to do that, do actually get off their duff and do something and speak out. The Church would be better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 [quote] Don't like the current rules, have another Council, make up new rules.... Don't like the music, use Pentecostal models, change.... Not enough Holy Spirit, take the Pentecostal movement, and call it Charismatic Catholics.... No Bibles at all, to Catholic Bible studies... Don't like the language, start in English, like the Protestants do... Shake hands, wave, ... gee, wonder where that one came from? And on and on... [/quote] You would like to think that these things started in Protestant areas. If that makes you sleep better at night, I guess go right ahead. As for the Church not having Bibles, thats ridiculous and you know it. Why would the Church not use the Bible it put together?? Makes no sense and frankly cannot be proven. The Church doesnt have Bibles in the pews...so what. We buy our own Bible and use it. The Church originally didnt want the laymen to have Bibles because that would lead to personal interpretations..just look at all the prots. I will give you one thing though, some of the things that happen at Mass are more like a prot thing than a Catholic thing. Take holding hands during the 'Our Father'. Prot have to hold hands because when they pray they are praying as 'one' if they hold hands. Catholics are already one through the Eucharist. We dont need to be doing that. Thats saying that the unity we have in the Holy Eucharist is not enough. I dont hold hands, and I dont allow my kids or anyone thats with me to either. Our unity is not with hand holding its in the Precious Body of Christ. The music, frankly if it came from a pentecostal movement, they can have it back. ugh... And the language? From latin to English..hmm, never heard it in Latin before. But the reason is, Vatican II wanted to get the laiety more involved in Mass. I dont think you can take credit for that Bruce and say it was a prot thing first so the Catholic Church must of copied..no way. You can claim we copied from prots, but the reality is, you wouldnt be around had it not been for the Catholic Church. No Bible, No Holidays, No Hospitals, No Schools..theres alot of things that we started, way before the Reformation was a twinkle in satans eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepyCrawler Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 [quote name='CatholicAndFanatical' date='Apr 18 2004, 12:26 AM'] Pax Creepy, The important thing to remember is that women have a place in the Church. Always have always will. And its not for Priestly orders, or Priestly actions such as the nun that was in Bruce's first post was doing. If women want to be ordained that can be ordained as Nuns. Theres honor and graces in that. One of the big reasons why women step up now and say they wanna be Priests is when all that 'equal rights' thing happened. Its selfish and they are not thinking about God's plan for them, but rather what they want for them. Think Mother Teresa ever asked to be a Priest? Of course not. Why? Because she knew God's plan for her. She knew she had a place in the Church. Thank God the Holy Father put a close to this stupid debate about women Priests. They never will become one, now if we can just get the lazy Priests and Bishops, like the one's that allowed that Nun above to do that, do actually get off their duff and do something and speak out. The Church would be better off. [/quote] I guess I wasn't clear. I totally agree with you in your post. I wish there were enough men to fill all the positions in the churches in the US, but since there aren't, why is it such a big deal if women are put into 'management-type' roles in the Church if they're not overstepping into the priestly role and doing communion and such? I was trying to point out that the priesthood is more than just managing the Church, which is what I think Bruce was implying with his first posts. You can never replace the priest. But I agree that the religious vocation for women is important and it's kind of counterproductive to the women's rights movement anyway to make it seem as if women's roles and vocations aren't as good as men's -- it would be better to try and change people's perceptions that anything men do is automatically better than what women do to say that both roles are of equal worth, which they are, even if their functions and goals are different. I do have a question for you, though. The RCIA director at our church is a woman and she read the prayers/questions during the Easter Vigil when everyone was getting baptized and brought into the church (I don't know what to call it, it was the questions like, "Do you reject Satan and all his evil ways? Do you accept Jesus and His one true Church?" stuff like that) and they'd say "I do." While she was reading, there was a man who was grumbling behind me because women shouldn't be reading these things. Is that wrong? I didn't think there was anything wrong w/ it because she was just reading the questions, not blessing them or baptising them or anything. Let me know. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 [quote name='CreepyCrawler' date='Apr 18 2004, 11:09 AM'] I do have a question for you, though. The RCIA director at our church is a woman and she read the prayers/questions during the Easter Vigil when everyone was getting baptized and brought into the church (I don't know what to call it, it was the questions like, "Do you reject Satan and all his evil ways? Do you accept Jesus and His one true Church?" stuff like that) and they'd say "I do." While she was reading, there was a man who was grumbling behind me because women shouldn't be reading these things. Is that wrong? I didn't think there was anything wrong w/ it because she was just reading the questions, not blessing them or baptising them or anything. Let me know. Thanks! [/quote] I hope somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that was the priest's job, asking the candidates if they reject Satan, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 I thought so, too.... maybe there are conditions for someone else doing it though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 Ya, it's called the baptismal vows and I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be led by a priest or deacon within the context of liturgy. Outside that, for sure anyone can lead it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 yea I agree with yooze guys. I know when I was Baptised on Easter it was the Priest that said this. Maybe Fr. Pntifex or another awesome priest or brother here can shed some light. maybe in certain circumstances.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted April 19, 2004 Share Posted April 19, 2004 [quote] I guess I wasn't clear. [/quote] yea you was clear, it was I that read it kinda funny my bad, sorry to rant then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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