Livin_the_MASS Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 [quote name='Bruce S' date='Apr 9 2004, 09:35 AM'] The Gates of Hell.... Ah, that is a VERY astute and deep observation Jason, indicative of such a well thought out scripture plucking... However, are you aware of all the passages from Paul and others about INTERNAL false teachers too, INSIDE of Christ's Church [that is the UNIVERSAL body of Christians?] Or is that theology beyond your comprehension yet? Some were even called Anti-Christ by Paul, and they were INSIDE HIS CHURCH, trusted leaders. Pray on that one, hard, I do all the time, and moreso than ever recently...more than you will ever know, or care to know. And I'm talking about OUR side of the street first, but reflecting those concerns and prayers to what I see on your side too, but YOU clean up your side, and I will pray for our side, and the Holy Spirit will sort it all out I guess... [/quote] Seems to me your getting frustrated about something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted April 9, 2004 Author Share Posted April 9, 2004 (edited) Does ANYONE today want to address the dear Cardinal, one of the four top candidates for the next pope or not? I'm the scapgoat now for YOUR internal divisions, and the Cardinal is trying to get YOU TO SEE something, but that would require taking off the denominational pride glasses, something that isn't going to happen I guess. Jason, how old are you? You sound VERY young, with very little real world life experience? Edited April 9, 2004 by Bruce S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassionistF Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 [quote name='Bruce S' date='Apr 9 2004, 10:29 AM']Come on, just be fair, this IS the interfaith board, or is the goal here to turn this into ONLY an RCIA section, if so, just ban all those who are not here for instruction before joining, and dump the pretense of DEBATE, frankly, the tone of thisis the TRUTH is just getting a little to much for me, if it is the TRUTH, the ONLY TRUTH, then I guess that settles it, and just erase anyone that MIGHT have a desire to DEBATE these issues... SHEESH.[/quote] Bruce is right with regard to how I have approached this discussion. When I began visiting these boards, I tried to stay away from these topics and I failed to. I should have went with my first thoughts on this. This isn't my apostolate, frankly I no good at it. I'm still sickened by the half-truths that I learned as a Protestant and as a result, I am beginning to see in myself, the lack of charity that I demand from others. So, I'm unsubscribing to the threads involving debates. I'll give Bruce the last word on my actions, I don't really have the energy to go on and on and on with this stuff. I let Satan (not you Bruce, don't read into this) have way too much of my time and God's time with me quarrelling with my Brothers. I'm done. I need to focus on my vocation as a Father, Husband and now Catechist for my Parish, this stuff is not helping me accomplish any of that. Peace and a Blessed Easter to all, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted April 9, 2004 Author Share Posted April 9, 2004 Amen Sister, I love your attitude, you are a fine addition to ANY body of believers, and you really should stay in these debates, give it some time, your perspective is missing, and you, like me, have lived in both camps, one went that way, the other this way, so our insights bring some depth, of course yours is just leading a way mine didn't. God bless you, and say a prayer for me today, and I will for you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yiannii Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 [quote]Shake hands, wave, ... gee, wonder where that one came from?[/quote] It came from the early Christians. I know it's written by a Church Father and I read it in a book called The Lambs Supper by Scott Hahn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted April 9, 2004 Author Share Posted April 9, 2004 [quote]It came from the early Christians. I know it's written by a Church Father and I read it in a book called The Lambs Supper by Scott Hahn. [/quote] yes, WE do train theologians to teach, don't WE? Cheap shot, but hey, this is how things are going today... Some theologians go that way, others this way, I have shown that recently here too..yours leave and ours leave, but they ALL remain Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 [quote name='Bruce S' date='Apr 9 2004, 10:05 AM']Does ANYONE today want to address the dear Cardinal, one of the four top candidates for the next pope or not? I'm the scapgoat now for YOUR internal divisions, and the Cardinal is trying to get YOU TO SEE something, but that would require taking off the denominational pride glasses, something that isn't going to happen I guess. Jason, how old are you? You sound VERY young, with very little real world life experience?[/quote] "Unless you become like children" Age don't matter. Some Saints were very young. Oh lookie what I found in Matthew 11:25 "I give you praise to you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for although you have hidden these things from the wise and the learned you have revealed them to the childlike." I know what i know because He is good. Lets just say I'm old enough to know better God Bless Jason Plus don't make Rome a political office it's not, The Pope is the Vicar of Christ a servant of God's people. Not the next president. peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yiannii Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 please explain u not make much sense to meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 Bruce, You are absolutely right, regarding Car. Arinze's quote, but wrong in the application. Christianit is more than rules, or ethics, or whatever. It is primarily about conforming ourselves to the image of Christ. However, God (through the Holy Spirit) has revealed rules and ethic and etc. which are the most useful in accomplishing that goal. As to your original story. The vocations crisis is largely a self-fulfilling prophecy. Where dissenters hold power, they begin to screen out or discourage orthodox men from folowing their true vocations. Next thing you know, we have an apparent shortage of priests. Then we can argue that what's needed is to change the rules to what we wanted them to be all along. It must be so frustrating for these people to have created the "perfect storm" and still the rules haven't changed. God bless you Bruce. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted April 9, 2004 Author Share Posted April 9, 2004 [quote]Plus don't make Rome a political office it's not,[/quote] Err... Jason, dear boy, it is a NATION, a COUNTRY, complete with Flag, Dipolmatic Status, army, post office, and all the trappings of GOVERMENT. Or do you not know that Jason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 [quote name='Bruce S' date='Apr 9 2004, 10:16 AM'] yes, WE do train theologians to teach, don't WE? Cheap shot, but hey, this is how things are going today... Some theologians go that way, others this way, I have shown that recently here too..yours leave and ours leave, but they ALL remain Christians.[/quote] [color=red]2 Timothy 2: 14-19 "Remind people of these things and charge them before God to stop disputing about words. This serves no useful purpose since it harms those who listen. Be eager to present yourself as acceptable to God, a workman who causes no disgrace, imparting the word of truth without deviation. Avoid profane, idle talk, for such people will become more and more godless, and their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have deviated from the truth by saying that (the) resurrection has already taken place and are upsetting the faith of some. (Or each other) Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands, bearing this inscription, "The Lord knows those who are his"; and, "Let everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord avoid evil."[/color] Funny the things that i find? hmm! [quote]Err... Jason, dear boy, it is a NATION, a COUNTRY, complete with Flag, Dipolmatic Status, army, post office, and all the trappings of GOVERMENT. Or do you not know that Jason?[/quote] Voting for the Pope is not like voting for the president of the United States. Number one prayer is involved and bishops make the decision it's not a public vote! Err... God Bless man Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted April 9, 2004 Author Share Posted April 9, 2004 [quote]As to your original story. The vocations crisis is largely a self-fulfilling prophecy. Where dissenters hold power, they begin to screen out or discourage orthodox men from folowing their true vocations.[/quote] [img]http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0895261448.01._PE30_PIdp-schmoo2,TopRight,7,-26_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg[/img] If anyone really even cares to be objective, this is a must read. Zealots, don't bother, it won't compute. And this is the truth today, the root of the problems with vocations. [quote]Editorial Reviews From Library Journal Written shortly before the current scandal broke upon the Roman Catholic Church, Rose's book seems almost prophetic as he documents the systematic rejection of pious, orthodox seminary applicants in many dioceses and the encouragement of questionable attitudes and agendas. Rose (Ugly As Sin), who was editor of St. Catherine Review for seven years, is the author of numerous articles, essays, and books that question the wisdom of contemporary liberal Catholicism. Here, he discusses the causes of the chronic priest shortage, including the misuse of psychological screening and what appears to be blatant discrimination against the kind of young men who were once considered ideal candidates for the vocation. He gives a disturbing glimpse behind the scenes that may go far in explaining the church's present difficulties. Based primarily on interviews, the book is carefully footnoted and contains a bibliography of sources cited and consulted. Highly recommended for anyone interested in this prominent topic, and for public and academic libraries. C. Robert Nixon, MLS, Lafayette, IN [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 [img]http://shop.catholic.com/online-store/scstore/B0202.JPG[/img] Calling all zealots, Calling all zealots!!! Conversion Stories Surprised by Truth Patrick Madrid Originally published in 1994, Surprised By Truth has now sold over 250,000 copies to date. "These eleven personal conversion accounts are unlike any that you have ever read -- they're packed with biblical, theological and historical proofs for Catholicism, and give a great testimony to the fullness of the Catholic Faith. Read the stories behind the conversions of many of today's top defenders of the Faith: James Akin, Catholic Answers Director of Apologetics and Evangelization, and author of the books, Mass Confusion and The Salvation Controversy Marcus Grodi, host of EWTN's The Journey Home Paul Thigpen, author of The Rapture Trap Tim Staples, Apologist Al Kresta, Radio host and author of Why Do Catholics Genuflect? And many more... These eleven stories of conversion merge into a sustained argument for the truth of the Catholic Faith. The converts anxieties, doubts, reasons, and affirmations are reported candidly - nothing is held back. A great gift for those considering the Catholic Church. " God Bless Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 Bruce, Be careful using the word zealot. Its quite common for people to attack others for being that which they dislike in themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 [quote]Frankly, the way you really ARE going, we are going to start demanding royalites for all the Protestant style things and practices that you one, by one, are implementing[/quote] [quote]Fine, and we'll demand royalties every time you use the Bible[/quote] [img]http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/images/smilies/popcorn.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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