Apotheoun Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Christian faith is based upon authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Yes, however just because someone has a lot of degrees does not mean they will give a good answer, so Rexi is right. In this case Catherine is right too. Now everyone hug and make up. I try to read theological journals like First Things and Letter & Spirit to answer that questions Lil Red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 [quote name='CatherineM' date='11 January 2010 - 05:20 PM' timestamp='1263190809' post='2034465'] I was surprised at how long we spent in pastoral theology about culture. Think about this, just as we are struggling with things like how to integrate Anglicans, how do we integrate people from cultures where they have more than one wife? It was one thing to have one or two married men as priests in each diocese, but if we have wholesale defections of Anglicans, how are our celibate priests going to view it? I suspect something like the workers in the vineyard being angry that they got paid for a whole day of work the same as the guys who didn't come until late in the afternoon. [/quote] I like that analogy of the workers in the vineyard - it makes perfect sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 11, 2010 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 [quote name='CatherineM' date='10 January 2010 - 11:20 PM' timestamp='1263190809' post='2034465'] I was surprised at how long we spent in pastoral theology about culture. Think about this, just as we are struggling with things like how to integrate Anglicans, how do we integrate people from cultures where they have more than one wife? It was one thing to have one or two married men as priests in each diocese, but if we have wholesale defections of Anglicans, how are our celibate priests going to view it? I suspect something like the workers in the vineyard being angry that they got paid for a whole day of work the same as the guys who didn't come until late in the afternoon. [/quote] hmm, what are your thoughts on integration? [quote name='Brother Adam' date='11 January 2010 - 05:16 AM' timestamp='1263212203' post='2034600'] Yes, however just because someone has a lot of degrees does not mean they will give a good answer, so Rexi is right. In this case Catherine is right too. Now everyone hug and make up. I try to read theological journals like First Things and Letter & Spirit to answer that questions Lil Red. [/quote]i subscribe and read First Things, Homiletic & Pastoral Review, and This Rock. but when i ask magazines a question (or two), they somehow just sit on my coffee table and don't answer back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 11, 2010 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='10 January 2010 - 11:14 PM' timestamp='1263190478' post='2034460'] Never mind. Peace. [/quote] +JMJ+ sorry, i was cranky last night. i'm not sorry for what i said, but how i said it. peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 [quote name='CatherineM' date='11 January 2010 - 12:38 AM' timestamp='1263184688' post='2034404'] Reform of the reform Inculturation How to handle Pro-Choice politicians [/quote] Can you talk more about the reform of the reform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Reform of the reform is something I haven't spent much time thinking about. I don't want to say I don't care especially, because that doesn't sound nice. It's just that I don't have any real investment one way or the other. I'm sure the systematic theology people are more invested in the discussion. Being in moral theology, we were freaking out about the recent "small" twist to canon law that the Pope introduced. The old reading was anyone who was a Catholic had to be married before a priest. So a person who had been baptized as a child, but never even had first communion could basically get an automatic annulment for not marrying before a priest. Now, if you have left the church, that requirement to be married in front of a priest doesn't apply. So an annulment later will be harder to get. The big question now is what level of leaving the church counts. Do you have to formally resign, just quit attending, join another church? Oh what a time to live in for those of us interested in Canon Law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Brother Adam' date='11 January 2010 - 06:16 AM' timestamp='1263212203' post='2034600'] Yes, however just because someone has a lot of degrees does not mean they will give a good answer, so Rexi is right. In this case Catherine is right too. Now everyone hug and make up. [/quote] No offense to any of the learned ones here because I'm sure it doesn't apply in most cases here, but I have had some pretty ridiculous professors who had degrees sticking out of places I probably shouldn't mention and some of the wisest people I've ever known had very little formal education at all, one of them being my mother who didn't finish formal education beyond high school. Of course there are many very smart people with degrees and many dumb people without. Just saying... [quote name='Brother Adam' date='11 January 2010 - 06:16 AM' timestamp='1263212203' post='2034600']I try to read theological journals like First Things and Letter & Spirit to answer that questions Lil Red. [/quote] Don't think I've heard of those, I really need to start re-familiarizing myself with mainstream Catholic lit... Edited January 11, 2010 by goldenchild17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 11, 2010 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 [quote name='goldenchild17' date='11 January 2010 - 02:47 PM' timestamp='1263246430' post='2035021'] and some of the wisest people I've ever known had very little formal education at all,[/quote] +JMJ+ yup. you're looking at one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Any topic discussed by Hans Urs von Balthasar. The relationship between Church and society. Mary Co-Redemptrix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tridenteen Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 JMJ Ok, I realize I am a teen without any degrees but I do love God and love His Church on earth [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img] . So my question is...why do some places allow pagan practices to come into the Mass?[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/sadder.gif[/img] Is it more important to save souls or pretend it isn't pagan so that they will come to Mass. Isn't it more important to teach people the truth than worry about being culturally sensitive. Won't that be considered a sin - not instructing the ignorant or correcting the sinner? [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/shock.gif[/img] Just wondering. In the sufficient grace of God alone, tridenteen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 [quote name='Lil Red' date='11 January 2010 - 05:57 PM' timestamp='1263254252' post='2035080'] +JMJ+ yup. you're looking at one [/quote] well of course. That goes without saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 [quote name='Tridenteen' date='12 January 2010 - 03:40 PM' timestamp='1263271217' post='2035208'] JMJ Ok, I realize I am a teen without any degrees but I do love God and love His Church on earth [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img] . So my question is...why do some places allow pagan practices to come into the Mass?[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/sadder.gif[/img] Is it more important to save souls or pretend it isn't pagan so that they will come to Mass. Isn't it more important to teach people the truth than worry about being culturally sensitive. Won't that be considered a sin - not instructing the ignorant or correcting the sinner? [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/shock.gif[/img] Just wondering. In the sufficient grace of God alone, tridenteen. [/quote] Your question is so sweet. The fact is that many people have lost their faith and don't even know it. And that includes some priests and religious as well. The Church is under attack from the most demonic of forces in so many ways, and what you are seeing is barely the tip of the iceberg. But Jesus promised us that His Church would survive and that not even the gates of hell could prevail against it. But your prayers are needed for our beloved Church now and always. And yes, the grace of God alone is sufficient! Bless you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 (edited) I woulndt say these are highbrow but here are some problems: The Limits of Magisterium Why God chose not to Incarnate himself in all Three Persons the Procession of the Trinity will always be a problem as far as logically explaining in a clear way and applying the immanent Trinity to the economic Trinity and vice versa Eschatological questions Moral questions like ectopic pregnancy, criteria for a just war, indirect abortion salvation of unbaptised infants and prenatals and children before the use of reason Edited January 12, 2010 by kafka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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