High Brow Theological Questions

[Lil Red]

+JMJ+
what are some questions that theologians struggle with answering today?

[CatherineM]

Reform of the reform

Inculturation

How to handle Pro-Choice politicians

[Lil Red]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='10 January 2010 - 09:38 PM' timestamp='1263184688' post='2034404']
Inculturation
[/quote]
+JMJ+
this may be a dumb question, but, huh?

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='10 January 2010 - 11:38 PM' timestamp='1263184688' post='2034404']
Reform of the reform
[/quote]

How is that a struggle? It's pretty obvious.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='10 January 2010 - 09:55 PM' timestamp='1263185718' post='2034417']
How is that a struggle? It's pretty obvious.
[/quote]
+JMJ+
perhaps the implementation thereof? or the implications of?

and btw, how many degrees do you have?

and how many does Catherine have? hint: [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=7400"]look here[/url]

i'm just saying, i trust Catherine's opinion on this.

[Luigi]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='10 January 2010 - 11:38 PM' timestamp='1263184688' post='2034404']
Reform of the reform

Inculturation

How to handle Pro-Choice politicians
[/quote]

I'm asking out of curiosity - I don't know the answer and I want to know - are these really theological questions, or are these more matters of ecclesiology? I guess ecclesiology is a subset of theology? When I read Lil Red's question originally, my mind jumped to more theoretical issues - but I guess not all theology is not (as)theoretical (as I assumed it is)?

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='11 January 2010 - 12:02 AM' timestamp='1263186175' post='2034423']
+JMJ+
perhaps the implementation thereof? or the implications of?

and btw, how many degrees do you have?

and how many does Catherine have? hint: [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=7400"]look here[/url]

i'm just saying, i trust Catherine's opinion on this.
[/quote]

Argumentum ad verecundiam.

[CatherineM]

Man my ears were burning.

When I said inculturation, I meant things like how do we grow the church in cultures where males aren't considered men until they marry making priest's jobs kind of hard.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='10 January 2010 - 10:28 PM' timestamp='1263187726' post='2034433']Argumentum ad verecundiam.[/quote]
+JMJ+
look, rexi poo, i'm not saying that what you have studied isn't worthwhile, nor correct, but have you gone through the schooling as Catherine has? have you educated yourself to the degree that she has? have you written papers, passed exams, etc, at the college level that she (or any other theologian) has? she worked hard to get to where she is in her knowledge of the Church and her teachings. i know how frustrating it is not to be taken seriously because you don't have a degree (i don't have one, btw). but, the fact is, that Catherine does have more knowledge of Church theology than i ever will. and i'd say she has a better working knowledge of Church theology than you do right now. and i trust her opinion on this more than yours.

btw, nice try using Latin to talk down to me. your attitude, as per usual, is arrogant and frustrating and a turn-off. you try to set yourself up as some sort of authority on all things Catholic, when in fact you have no formal schooling in theology. there is a reason that we have trained theologians - we need them!

:brickwall: maybe i should just ask this question in the Q&A board where ONLY people with a theology degree can answer.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='11 January 2010 - 12:48 AM' timestamp='1263188921' post='2034439']
btw, nice try using Latin to talk down to me.
[/quote]

No, I used Latin in order to point out the logical fallacy present in your post, the name of which is in Latin.

[Lil Red]

+JMJ+
[quote name='Luigi' date='10 January 2010 - 10:23 PM' timestamp='1263187399' post='2034432']
I'm asking out of curiosity - I don't know the answer and I want to know - are these really theological questions, or are these more matters of ecclesiology? I guess ecclesiology is a subset of theology? When I read Lil Red's question originally, my mind jumped to more theoretical issues - but I guess not all theology is not (as)theoretical (as I assumed it is)?
[/quote]
yeah, i don't even really know what i want to ask. i'm reading [u]God and the World[/u] and in it, Ratzinger says:
"It is never the case that we can say, Now we know everything; now the knowledge of Christianity is complete. There are unfathomable depths both in God and in human life, so that there are always new dimensions to faith. What has at least been vouchsafed to the Church is a certitude about what can not be reconciled with the gospel. She has formulated her most essential perceptions of this in her creed and her dogmas. They are all conceived in negative terms. She points out the borderline beyond which one would stray into error. The area within the borders, so to speak, remains both wide and open. On this account, the Church can give the general directions for human life and can say what direction I certainly should not take, if I want to avoid a fall. It remains for each person to discover the manifold possibilities on his own path and to explore them."

so that got me to thinking, if we don't have it all figured out, what are theologians still struggling with, what our theologians still exploring, asking about, feeling our way around about?

[quote name='CatherineM' date='10 January 2010 - 10:47 PM' timestamp='1263188872' post='2034437']
Man my ears were burning.

When I said inculturation, I meant things like how do we grow the church in cultures where males aren't considered men until they marry making priest's jobs kind of hard.
[/quote]
interesting. so it's more like it would be before the current discipline?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='10 January 2010 - 10:54 PM' timestamp='1263189286' post='2034445']
No, I used Latin in order to point out the logical fallacy present in your post, the name of which is in Latin.
[/quote]
+JMJ+
okay, sure. right. or you could've just said, "arguing from authority is a logical fallacy." and thank you for completely missing out on the whole point of my post.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='11 January 2010 - 01:03 AM' timestamp='1263189805' post='2034448']
and thank you for completely missing out on the whole point of my post.
[/quote]

Never mind. Peace.

Edited January 11, 2010 by Resurrexi

[Vincent Vega]

It's not a logical fallacy that's she's more learned than you. It's a fact.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='11 January 2010 - 12:01 AM' timestamp='1263189666' post='2034447']
+JMJ+

so that got me to thinking, if we don't have it all figured out, what are theologians still struggling with, what our theologians still exploring, asking about, feeling our way around about?


interesting. so it's more like it would be before the current discipline?
[/quote]
I was surprised at how long we spent in pastoral theology about culture. Think about this, just as we are struggling with things like how to integrate Anglicans, how do we integrate people from cultures where they have more than one wife? It was one thing to have one or two married men as priests in each diocese, but if we have wholesale defections of Anglicans, how are our celibate priests going to view it? I suspect something like the workers in the vineyard being angry that they got paid for a whole day of work the same as the guys who didn't come until late in the afternoon.