India: Catholic, Orthodox [Non-Chalcedonian] Churches Agree To Share

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='brightsadness' date='12 January 2010 - 04:59 PM' timestamp='1263333572' post='2035580']
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHicL7o6xRg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHicL7o6xRg[/url]
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Those were Eastern Catholic clerics, not Eastern Orthodox ones.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Resurrexi

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='12 January 2010 - 03:22 AM' timestamp='1263284569' post='2035286']
"una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro Benedicto...et omnibus orthodoxis atque catholicae, et apostolicae fidei cultoribus" answers it.
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Verbum.

[brightsadness]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='12 January 2010 - 03:22 PM' timestamp='1263334954' post='2035593']
Those were Eastern Catholic clerics, not Eastern Orthodox ones.
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Thank you for making my point.

[Apotheoun]

In the Eastern Churches only a priest may officiate at a funeral service, and this is the case because there are certain priestly prayers of absolution and blessing, along with the anointing of the body of the dead man, which require presbyteral or episcopal authority for their validity.

[OraProMe]

[quote name='brightsadness' date='12 January 2010 - 05:28 PM' timestamp='1263335312' post='2035598']
Thank you for making my point.
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I think you've confused yourself a little. You haven't made any point.

[AccountDeleted]

Well, I for one am still confused because I very nicely asked for an explanation of this dilemma, and instead of getting one, I got a long quotation in Latin, which even the online Latin to English translator couldn't understand. I said my thanks to God, but I would still like to know what the debate is all about, if anyone would have the charity to enlighten someone as ignorant as I am (and in English this time please)

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='nunsense' date='12 January 2010 - 11:27 PM' timestamp='1263360425' post='2035892']
Well, I for one am still confused because I very nicely asked for an explanation of this dilemma, and instead of getting one, I got a long quotation in Latin, which even the online Latin to English translator couldn't understand. I said my thanks to God, but I would still like to know what the debate is all about, if anyone would have the charity to enlighten someone as ignorant as I am (and in English this time please)
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Glad you're in the same boat as me. I figured when you just said thanks that you understood it.

[AccountDeleted]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='13 January 2010 - 04:28 PM' timestamp='1263360480' post='2035894']
Glad you're in the same boat as me. I figured when you just said thanks that you understood it.
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I was giving thanks for the explanation, but that doesn't mean I understood it! I did try to work it out, but no luck. Resurrexi posted "verbum" -- looks like someone understands it!

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='nunsense' date='12 January 2010 - 11:39 PM' timestamp='1263361145' post='2035909']
I was giving thanks for the explanation, but that doesn't mean I understood it! I did try to work it out, but no luck. Resurrexi posted "verbum" -- looks like someone understands it!
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Rexi's memorized every Church document ever.

[AccountDeleted]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='13 January 2010 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1263361172' post='2035911']
Rexi's memorized every Church document ever.
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I would probably have wanted to do the same if I had found my faith a lot younger. Even now I sometimes think I would love to be a canon lawyer... but well, religious life keeps calling me instead. We will see what God wants though.

I do admire the theologians and Church scholars though!

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='nunsense' date='13 January 2010 - 12:27 AM' timestamp='1263360425' post='2035892']
Well, I for one am still confused because I very nicely asked for an explanation of this dilemma, and instead of getting one, I got a long quotation in Latin, which even the online Latin to English translator couldn't understand. I said my thanks to God, but I would still like to know what the debate is all about, if anyone would have the charity to enlighten someone as ignorant as I am (and in English this time please)
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"Una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro Benedicto [. . .] et omnibus orthodoxis atque catholicae et apostolicae fidei cultoribus" is from the Canon of the Mass. It means "together with Your servant, our Pope, Benedict [. . .] and all the right-believers and keepers of the Catholic and apostolic faith."

Edited January 13, 2010 by Resurrexi

[AccountDeleted]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='13 January 2010 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1263361667' post='2035928']
"Una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro Benedicto [. . .] et omnibus orthodoxis atque catholicae et apostolicae fidei cultoribus" is from the Canon of the Mass. It means "together with Your servant, our Pope, Benedict [. . .] and all the right-believers and keepers of the Catholic and apostolic faith."
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Thank you! And the problem is that this phrase is not used by the Orthodox at funerals??

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='nunsense' date='13 January 2010 - 12:55 AM' timestamp='1263362117' post='2035932']
Thank you! And the problem is that this phrase is not used by the Orthodox at funerals??
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I can't speak for Ora, but I would see an Eastern Orthodox priest celebrating my funeral as problematic since the Eastern Orthodox are out of full communion with the Supreme Pontiff. I'd rather have no funeral at all, in fact, than one that's celebrated by a cleric who's outside of the Catholic Church.

Edited January 13, 2010 by Resurrexi

[Lil Red]

[quote name='nunsense' date='12 January 2010 - 10:55 PM' timestamp='1263362117' post='2035932']
Thank you! And the problem is that this phrase is not used by the Orthodox at funerals??
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+JMJ+
i think it is because they do not believe in the primacy of the Pope?

[AccountDeleted]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='13 January 2010 - 05:00 PM' timestamp='1263362410' post='2035939']
+JMJ+
i think it is because they do not believe in the primacy of the Pope?
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Ok, so here is where my ignorance shows again but I thought the main difference was the filioque - but they don't recognise the primacy of the Pope either? So what level of communion do we have with them? I guess I need to study up on all the different rites to learn a bit more.