India: Catholic, Orthodox [Non-Chalcedonian] Churches Agree To Share

[OraProMe]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 January 2010 - 08:53 PM' timestamp='1263174804' post='2034254']
I always find it interesting when "traditionalists" in the Roman Church feel compelled to oppose the Pope and his curia on various issues, which - for Roman Catholics - is not a traditional position to hold.
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Tell that to St. Athanasius.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='10 January 2010 - 06:56 PM' timestamp='1263174984' post='2034261']
Tell that to St. Athanasius.
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When did St. Athanasios, Patriarch of Alexandria, become a lay member of the Roman bishop's patriarchate?

[OraProMe]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 January 2010 - 09:12 PM' timestamp='1263175964' post='2034273']
When did St. Athanasios, Patriarch of Alexandria, become a lay member of the Roman bishop's patriarchate?
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Roman Catholics do not have to accept every single decision of the curia or the bishops. What on earth is wrong with criticizing the decision of a bishop's conference in India? Or the Council for the promotion of Christian unity? Or any of the joint declarations between the Catholic Church and the Anglicans/Lutherans/Orthodox. None of it is part of the magisterium. There is nothing un-traditional about it.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='10 January 2010 - 08:30 PM' timestamp='1263180631' post='2034360']
Roman Catholics do not have to accept every single decision of the curia or the bishops. What on earth is wrong with criticizing the decision of a bishop's conference in India? Or the Council for the promotion of Christian unity? Or any of the joint declarations between the Catholic Church and the Anglicans/Lutherans/Orthodox. None of it is part of the magisterium. There is nothing un-traditional about it.
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The decision of the conference does not appear to have been made in a unilateral fashion, which is why I suggested that you contact the Pontifical Council. The members of the council, like all the other members of the curia, are appointed by and report to the Pope, so perhaps you should seek clarification from the competent authorities.

Edited January 11, 2010 by Apotheoun

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 January 2010 - 08:53 PM' timestamp='1263174804' post='2034254']
I always find it interesting when "traditionalists" in the Roman Church feel compelled to oppose the Pope and his curia on various issues, which - for Roman Catholics - is not a traditional position to hold.
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Plus One. Pwnage.

[OraProMe]

Traditionalism does not equal pope worship. The decision of a bishop's conference (or even the Vatican) to allow orthodox priests to conduct Catholic funerals is not a matter of faith or morals, any Catholic can rightfully oppose such a move. It doesn't make them any less faithful to the Church or Her teachings.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='11 January 2010 - 11:47 PM' timestamp='1263275275' post='2035237']
Traditionalism does not equal pope worship. The decision of a bishop's conference (or even the Vatican) to allow orthodox priests to conduct Catholic funerals is not a matter of faith or morals, any Catholic can rightfully oppose such a move. It doesn't make them any less faithful to the Church or Her teachings.
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You mean you're not neo-ultramontanist?
Never would have guessed.

[OraProMe]

Oh I'm all over the place, Joe. It's very circumstantial, factors include my mood, what I've had for breakfast and the weather. My favourite quote at the moment is "I'm not a Catholic, just a violent Papist".

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='11 January 2010 - 11:51 PM' timestamp='1263275483' post='2035241']
Oh I'm all over the place, Joe. It's very circumstantial, factors include my mood, what I've had for breakfast and the weather. My favourite quote at the moment is "I'm not a Catholic, just a violent Papist".
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Have you tried stuffed peppers on an overcast day? In my opinion it's great for Christological ponderings.

[AccountDeleted]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='12 January 2010 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1263275275' post='2035237']
Traditionalism does not equal pope worship. The decision of a bishop's conference (or even the Vatican) to allow orthodox priests to conduct Catholic funerals is not a matter of faith or morals, any Catholic can rightfully oppose such a move. It doesn't make them any less faithful to the Church or Her teachings.
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Please excuse my ignorance, but what would be the main obejctions to having an Orthodox priest conducted a Catholic funeral? Is it a matter of the liturgy or the theology or what? I don't know much about this so if it is too complicated to explain here, I understand, but if there is a simple explanation that would help me understand the differences, then I would appreciate hearing it.

[OraProMe]

[quote name='nunsense' date='12 January 2010 - 03:02 AM' timestamp='1263283371' post='2035285']
Please excuse my ignorance, but what would be the main obejctions to having an Orthodox priest conducted a Catholic funeral? Is it a matter of the liturgy or the theology or what? I don't know much about this so if it is too complicated to explain here, I understand, but if there is a simple explanation that would help me understand the differences, then I would appreciate hearing it.
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"una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro Benedicto...et omnibus orthodoxis atque catholicae, et apostolicae fidei cultoribus" answers it.

[AccountDeleted]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='12 January 2010 - 07:22 PM' timestamp='1263284569' post='2035286']
"una cum famulo tuo Papa nostro Benedicto...et omnibus orthodoxis atque catholicae, et apostolicae fidei cultoribus" answers it.
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Deo gratias.

[MithLuin]

Keep in mind that all of these groups are extreme minorities in India. What they are doing is (hopefully) going to allow for more ministering to happen. Meaning, it's not like Catholics are [i]choosing[/i] to have their relatives buried by an Orthodox priest, but more like there aren't necessarily priests available, so it's hard to have much of a funeral at all. Whereas, if you let them handle each others funerals, things can work out.

Also, funerals can be (and are) conducted by deacons all the time in the Western Church, so it doesn't have to be an ordained Catholic priest anyway. This arrangement (sharing buildings, not liturgies) doesn't ask much from either side except cooperation.

[brightsadness]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='10 January 2010 - 06:18 PM' timestamp='1263172688' post='2034219']
I wouldn't like an Orthodox priest conducting my funeral.
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[Slappo]

I don't see much of a problem with it...

If the Orthodox priest was conducting a Catholic Funeral Mass then that would be a situation I think... but as to what all is entailed by the orthodox's part in the funeral is unclear.

I'm less western then rexi i guess

I have 3 byzantine friends though and I understand from a more inside scoop the complications of the break of east and west through communication with a former orthodox now catholic eastern priest.