Sternhauser Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 [quote name='tinytherese' date='10 January 2010 - 08:13 PM' timestamp='1263172409' post='2034215'] I remember a thread from months ago where a young girl in the Middle East was gang-raped and got pregnant. Then she was sentenced to receiving lashes for it and the men were not punished at all. Now that is absolutely dispicable. The claim that if a woman is alone in such a place and deserves to be raped is absolutely horrible and not to mention bull, which I still can't fathom as to how anyone could believe such a thing. I agree with MithLuin though that what the woman did was illegal, but that the rapist should definitely be punished as well. [/quote] Mahomet did not condemn rape. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilde Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 What if all the women moved out of those places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 [quote name='Winchester' date='10 January 2010 - 08:30 PM' timestamp='1263173418' post='2034225'] Or he could revolt and quit whining like a little girl. [/quote] LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Sternhauser' date='11 January 2010 - 12:30 PM' timestamp='1263173420' post='2034226'] Mahomet did not condemn rape. ~Sternhauser [/quote] The Muslims who believe that have been misled. I'm not saying he did or he didn't, I don't know! The argument is and no doubt always shall be hotly disputed. However if he did not condemn rape then he would have been a false prophet. The general rule is 'bad fruit from a bad tree, good fruit from a good tree' That is if a teaching is kind and loving as in Jesus then it must be good. If a teaching is bad then it must be from the lies of the serpent. You will know them from the fruit they bear. Edited January 11, 2010 by Mark of the Cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='10 January 2010 - 09:14 PM' timestamp='1263176056' post='2034274'] The Muslims who believe that have been misled. I'm not saying he did or he didn't, I don't know! The argument is and no doubt always shall be hotly disputed. However if he did not condemn rape then he would have been a false prophet. The general rule is 'bad fruit from a bad tree, good fruit from a good tree' That is if a teaching is kind and loving as in Jesus then it must be good. If a teaching is bad then it must be from the lies of the serpent. You will know them from the fruit they bear. [/quote] Mahomet was a false prophet. The Koran contradicts the Old Testament and the New Testament. Mahomet and his followers do not acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah, the God-Man. If the book was not inspired by God, and Mahomet did, in fact, hear voices, he was obviously insane or the book was demonic in origin. I'm going to have to go with the latter. ~Sternhauser Edited January 11, 2010 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Sternhauser' date='11 January 2010 - 01:27 PM' timestamp='1263176829' post='2034286'] Mahomet was a false prophet. The Koran contradicts the Old Testament and the New Testament. Mahomet and his followers do not acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah, the God-Man. If the book was not inspired by God, and Mahomet did, in fact, hear voices, he was obviously insane or the book was demonic in origin. I'm going to have to go with the latter. ~Sternhauser [/quote] I'm aware of those accusations but I don't consider it my position to propagate what I don't have any knowledge of. The important thing is that I am being guided by the Holy Spirit towards truth. There is a saying about changing what I can change and accepting what I can't and knowing the difference. I cannot change those things you speak of, so I avoid such things.Whether a person is an indigenous black man, a Muslim or whatever I will offer the hand of friendship first. If he tries to mug me or blow me up then I will... [img]http://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb037.gif[/img] Edited January 11, 2010 by Mark of the Cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 [quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='10 January 2010 - 09:45 PM' timestamp='1263177953' post='2034305'] I'm aware of those accusations but I don't consider it my position to propagate what I don't have any knowledge of. The important thing is that I am being guided by the Holy Spirit towards truth. There is a saying about changing what I can change and accepting what I can't and knowing the difference. I cannot change those things you speak of, so I avoid such things.Whether a person is an indigenous black man, a Muslim or whatever I will offer the hand of friendship first. If he tries to mug me or blow me up then I will... [/quote] That's a good mindset to have. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy_Catholic Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 What really boils my potatoe about this is while women like her and Saudi women are suffering under a misognyst law, so many women in the West have a whinge fest about how not being able to have an abortion through all nine months of pregnancy is anti-woman. As for this woman, well, she shouldn't have gone and stayed with her fiance in a country that doesn't like men and women who are not married or related to mix, and she shouldn't have been drinking. However, with that said, NOTHING justifies rape. NOTHING. The British embassy should get off their back sides and bring her home. And as for the scum who raped her, well, he'll get his justice when he pops his clogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Note that despite the misleading title, she's not being punished for being raped, she's being punished for extra-marital sex with her fiancé. The rape is a separate matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) Is this the same country that just celebrated opening the world's tallest building? Maybe I missed it, if alcohol is illegal there, how did they get served? Did they sneak it into the country? Something isn't kosher here. But I have heard cases in other Islamic countries where a woman is raped, but she is given lashes, presumably because she was out alone without a male parent or sibling accompanying her to protect her. Edited January 11, 2010 by Norseman82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy_Catholic Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 [quote name='Norseman82' date='10 January 2010 - 10:58 PM' timestamp='1263182321' post='2034388'] But I have heard cases in other Islamic countries where a woman is raped, but she is given lashes, presumably because she was out alone without a male parent or sibling accompanying her to protect her. [/quote] Yeah, I have a Muslim friend and she's from a small village in Afganistan, she said if a woman is raped there, to prove its rape, 7 men of upstanding opinion in the community have to have born witness to the fact its a rape. I asked her, if they're so upstanding, why didn't they intervene and stop the rape, instead of witnessing it? She said that men run the place, and that her cousin had petrol thrown over her and set a light because she was molested when she was 8 by an uncle and then it came out when he made a death bed confession when she was only 13. She said this happened under the Taliban rule. And she is ever so grateful her father took off with another woman and her mother had friends in NZL that were able to pay for the mum and her two daughters to escape and that exodus took place about six months before the Taliban took power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 [quote name='Norseman82' date='10 January 2010 - 09:58 PM' timestamp='1263182321' post='2034388'] Is this the same country that just celebrated opening the world's tallest building? Maybe I missed it, if alcohol is illegal there, how did they get served? Did they sneak it into the country? Something isn't kosher here. But I have heard cases in other Islamic countries where a woman is raped, but she is given lashes, presumably because she was out alone without a male parent or sibling accompanying her to protect her. [/quote] I think it's illegal to consume alcohol outside of authorized places. I may be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 [quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 January 2010 - 07:22 PM' timestamp='1263165736' post='2034177'] [i]My[/i] logic doesn't. Yours would. I fail to see [i]why[/i] your logic dictates that a man who stays within political borders of a State deserves to have his money taken by force or the threat of force, and can justly be imprisoned if he refuses, and justly killed if he resists imprisonment. ~Sternhauser [/quote] This thread isn't about money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) [quote name='BG45' date='10 January 2010 - 11:56 PM' timestamp='1263185766' post='2034418'] This thread isn't about money. [/quote] It's about injustice. Apply the logic consistently. If you continually and deliberately believe two contradictory ideas on the morality of inflicting injustice, no matter what the "justification," you will go insane. ~Sternhauser Edited January 11, 2010 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Norseman82' date='10 January 2010 - 10:58 PM' timestamp='1263182321' post='2034388'] Is this the same country that just celebrated opening the world's tallest building? Maybe I missed it, if alcohol is illegal there, how did they get served? Did they sneak it into the country? Something isn't kosher here. [/quote] Under some Mahometan States, alcohol is totally banned. In some, its consumption is not prohibited to "infidels." (Meaning, those who never had faith in the teachings of a man whose worship of certain beings began 550 years [i]after[/i] Christ.) On a side note: I encourage others to join me in refusing to acknowledge the name "Islam." "Islam" allegedly means "Submission to God." ("Submission to [i]the[/i] god" is a better translation.) If you think the teachings which try to supplant and suppress the teachings of Christ are truly and divinely inspired, then by all means, continue to call their belief system "Submission to God." I will continue to call the cult "Mahometanism," as it is the belief in the teachings of Mahomet, not the teachings of the Triune God. ~Sternhauser Edited January 11, 2010 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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