Pope Wants Crucifix At The Centre Of All Altars During Mass

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Ed Normile' date='10 January 2010 - 12:06 AM' timestamp='1263103587' post='2033768']
In America the local church authorities pretty well ignore rome on most matters. We have churches that use a risen Christ instead of a crucifix which is wrong. We have others that have no visible tabernacle, others that tabernacle is off to the side or in a seperate room. I know all here probably heard the pope talk about not supporting abortion minded candidates, I have heard priests preach from the altar on the need for healtcare outweighing the popes wishes and we should vote for Obama. I remember back during the priest scandal that pope John Paul II sent his reccomendations including removing priests from any contact with youth who were accused of these actions, and if evidence were found of these actions to turn them over to authorities for prosecution. The american council of bishops met in texas and reviewed the issue and decided to pretty much carry on as usual in these cases. Here it is a rare occasion to actually see a nun in habit, more often you see them in a busines type suit with short hair looking very butch like a gay woman. Many churches no longer have kneelers, others stretch across aisles to hold hands during the Lord's prayer, a bishop in arizona was censored under pope JPII and removed for allowing liturgical dance on the altar as a charismatic expression, I assume many here have read JPII open letter to charismatics directing them to end the flights of fantasy associated with much of the movement, in it he explained how it almost tore down the church in germany. Then there is the priest in california who does the surfboard mass, and the one from columbus ohio who has led a double life as a recording star of sorts dressed as a drag queen performing disco music. I [i]could go on and on, and I do pray for the church.

ed
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I am, unfortunately, very aware of the abuses occurring in the United States, mostly because of the fact that they are the same abuses occurring in Canada.
Luckily I still trust my bishop enough to entertain the hope that if he heard such suggestions, he'd take them to heart.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Happy_Catholic' date='10 January 2010 - 01:25 AM' timestamp='1263104725' post='2033779']
I'm a big supporter of breast feeding, and I think more should be done to encourage it, especially in other western nations. In NZL its a crime to tell a woman to leave or try to remove a breast feeding woman in public. I also don't think breast feeding women should be removed from churches (most have the common sense to step outside).

However, an image of such on a mural behind the altar, that's pushing their luck a bit. Some people have no common sense.

Can't we just keep our art traditional instead of pulling on all these "alternative" art forms?

And I just got back from Mass and was annoyed to see an elderly gentleman who walked with a cane down on his knees on the hard floor while young people were slouched back in their pews during the Consecration like they were in some movie theatre.

Where are we going as a Church that people dont' even show respect at the holiest part of the Mass?
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I agree breast feeding is wonderful and natural, it bonds mother and child, provides immunities to the child etc. Most women I have seen when caught in a public area during feeding time do so discretely by covering the child and her breast with a towel or shawl. Only once did I ever see a woman just flop it out and go to town, this was at a rock concert I attended when I was 18, I was among, easliy 100 young men standing around ogling the show, until it dawned on me that was what she wanted, and my catholic upbringing kicked in and I started to think how inappropriate it was for her to even bring her child to a place like that. As I walked away thinking that in the case of a fight or an emergency that child could be hurt, she started to scream as several guys had started groping her, fortunately the security escorted her and several guys away.

ed

[Archaeology cat]

Oh, I pray our bishops follow these!

[eagle_eye222001]

I know a priest who started putting a cross on the altar during Mass. The pastor didn't like it though and this priest had to throw a bunch of quotes from Pope Benedict to continue doing it. Talk about persecution from your own crowd.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 January 2010 - 01:16 AM' timestamp='1263104167' post='2033772']
Pews, and their partners in crime, kneelers, are Protestant inventions. In the Middle Ages, you stood, and during the consecration, you knelt. On the cold, hard stone. Pop in to Notre Dame or St. Paul Outside the Wall some time. You'll dig it.

~Sternhauser
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Plus one.

[XIX]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='10 January 2010 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1263156386' post='2034080']
Plus two.
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I fixed it for you.

[jeffpugh]

Excellent.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='10 January 2010 - 02:49 PM' timestamp='1263156573' post='2034085']
Excellent.
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[Guest NicholasII]

[quote name='Happy_Catholic' date='09 January 2010 - 05:48 PM' timestamp='1263077333' post='2033442']
Some have said space, others have said because its not right to kneel during the Consecration, something about it being "medieval" and "we should stand in God's presence". Basically, some of our Priests are not obedient to the Bishops or Church leadership. The priest at my old parish was told by the Bishop he had to move elsewhere because he was needed there more then in some cushy upper-middle class white neighbourhood. The priest simply told the bishop he'd resign if he was forced to move. And that was the end of that discussion.

Some of our priests are holding the leadership to ransom.

Oh, and did I mention the same sort of priests are removing the tabanacles off the altars?

Call me old fashioned, but when Christ is present physically I won't be standing.



I myself prefer to kneel, but in the Middle Ages for example, churches didn't have pews OR kneelers. Many stood for the consecration with heads bowed. And because people were standing, priests began the custom of elevating the bread and wine so that all culd see. Orthodox Christians stand for the Consecration to this day. In the past, (an Orthodox priest told me) people had to kneel before the emperor or king. They stand at Liturgy because Christ has made them free.
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[Winchester]

But the priest! We can't distract from the priest! Next thing you know, we'll want to put Jesus back in the center of things, again!

And we'll quit applauding the choir, and chatting about the croutons you can read about in the bulletin and we won't have a phalanx of Eucharistic Ministers so people don't have to wait a few minutes to receive Communion!

[Winchester]

Oh yeah, can we have the Altar rails back?

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Winchester' date='03 February 2010 - 03:09 PM' timestamp='1265231340' post='2050626']
Oh yeah, can we have the Altar rails back?
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Then we would lose the important implementation of amorphous ovoid sanctuaries and we'd be plunged back into the darkness of medieval pharisaic separation of Sacrament and people.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Winchester' date='03 February 2010 - 03:09 PM' timestamp='1265231340' post='2050626']
Oh yeah, can we have the Altar rails back?
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Unfortunately my parish has pre-empted the replacement of altar rails because the altar is raised by some stairs.
Unless they got rid of the main altar and started using the high altar only, but then there'd be a giant empty space.
[url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/victorpanlilio/450420641/"]Picture of the sanctuary.[/url]

[Winchester]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='03 February 2010 - 04:16 PM' timestamp='1265231770' post='2050643']
Unfortunately my parish has pre-empted the replacement of altar rails because the altar is raised by some stairs.
Unless they got rid of the main altar and started using the high altar only, but then there'd be a giant empty space.
[url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/victorpanlilio/450420641/"]Picture of the sanctuary.[/url]
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It's not always about you.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='03 February 2010 - 03:16 PM' timestamp='1265231770' post='2050643']
[url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/victorpanlilio/450420641/"]Picture of the sanctuary.[/url]
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Semi-ovoid carpeted Sanctuaries are not conducive to altar rails. Which is why they have been designed that way for the last 40yrs.