Vincent Vega Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 [quote name='Varg' date='07 January 2010 - 06:12 AM' timestamp='1262862757' post='2031631'] Why do people mix and match with the bible and science? Doesn't make any sense to me. Either the Bible is true or it isn't. I mean, if the parts on evolution and creation are wrong, how much else of it is wrong? [/quote] The more you post here, the clearer your reasons for "quitting" Christianity become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 [quote name='OraProMe' date='06 January 2010 - 06:52 PM' timestamp='1262764325' post='2030732'] So does that mean that we can't know if the big bang is a cause or an effect? [/quote] The big bang was an effect of God. It's just an idea, but God Said "Let there be light." and presto the big bang. On the first day he created the heavens. (He used a logarithmic slide rule so the first day was several billion years, the second several 100million and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 [quote name='Hassan' date='06 January 2010 - 02:33 AM' timestamp='1262763188' post='2030714'] We don't know what existed before the big band. [/quote] Jazz and ragtime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varg Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 I already made that joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 [quote name='Varg' date='08 January 2010 - 06:57 AM' timestamp='1262951874' post='2032422'] I already made that joke [/quote] [spoiler][IMG]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/lolcats/funny-pictures-congratulations-it-i.jpg[/IMG][/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txdinghysailor Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 [quote name='OraProMe' date='05 January 2010 - 06:23 AM' timestamp='1262687024' post='2030129'] I don't know anything about cosmology so I can't contribute, but I'd be really interested to read the views of both atheists and believers... [/quote] Aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varg Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Perhaps a more interesting question is "If a god created the universe, what created that god?" I actually thought it was perhaps maybe possibly slightly feasible that the universe was created by something until I asked myself that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 [quote name='Varg' date='07 January 2010 - 03:44 PM' timestamp='1262897044' post='2031942'] I know, I worded it badly. I meant if there are parts that are different to scientific fact [/quote] We aren't literally chained facing cave walls viewing the shadows of objects passing between us and a fire, are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 [quote name='Varg' date='08 January 2010 - 08:38 AM' timestamp='1262957930' post='2032446'] Perhaps a more interesting question is "If a god created the universe, what created that god?" I actually thought it was perhaps maybe possibly slightly feasible that the universe was created by something until I asked myself that question. [/quote] Ohai Varg, [spoiler] That to which the term God refers is by definition uncreated and is understood in the Catholic religion to be the ultimate-transcendent source/basis of reality. Many philosophers and theologians (I must be very general for the sake of brevity) suggest that by deductive reasoning it is possible to establish [i]a priori[/i] the category of necessary, uncaused being (which contains its own sufficient reason), as the presupposition of contingent being, otherwise known as created being or finite being. Thomistic metaphysics and Thomas' famous arguments for the existence of God provide examples of this (the [url="http://www.aquinasonline.com/Topics/5ways.html"]standard apologetics[/url]; scoop up something like [url="http://www.amazon.com/Metaphysical-Thought-Thomas-Aquinas-Renaissance/dp/0813209838"]this[/url] for more scholarly discussion). I suspect that the most common internet apologetics will have to do with such things. (you may like [url="http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/menus/existence.html"]craig[/url] or [url="http://stephenpimentel.tripod.com/papers/existential.html"]this[/url]) Here is a decent quick summary of [url="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/cosmological-argument/"]the cosmological type of argument[/url]. Much more to say, not sure where to begin. Hopefully someone else will post better stuff; I'm motivationally challenged lately for some reason. [/spoiler] Peace, love and lolcats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 [quote name='Varg' date='08 January 2010 - 08:38 AM' timestamp='1262957930' post='2032446'] Perhaps a more interesting question is ... [/quote] I have even more interesting questions. [spoiler] Meher Baba is said by followers to have been an avatar of God. His message is often summed up with the phrase "[i]don't worry be happy[/i]." It is also interesting to note that in Hindu mythology the first avatar of Vishnu was a fish. [IMG]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/billy_bass.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/Dont_worry_be_happy.jpg[/IMG] P.S. [spoiler] [IMG]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/9hn9dh.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/GodWarrior.jpg[/IMG] [/spoiler] [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varg Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' date='08 January 2010 - 09:53 AM' timestamp='1262962405' post='2032466'] We aren't literally chained facing cave walls viewing the shadows of objects passing between us and a fire, are we? [/quote] You might not be. I am Edited January 8, 2010 by Varg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 [quote name='Varg' date='08 January 2010 - 11:02 AM' timestamp='1262966531' post='2032484'] You might not be. I am [/quote] British prisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varg Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 At least I'm safe to drop the soap as much as I want. The guys in here are pretty cool...I hang out with the bikers and discuss Saxon all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 [quote name='Varg' date='06 January 2010 - 04:55 AM' timestamp='1262771702' post='2030764'] Jazz, obviously. [/quote] props to you my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Varg' date='09 January 2010 - 12:38 AM' timestamp='1262957930' post='2032446'] Perhaps a more interesting question is "If a god created the universe, what created that god?" I actually thought it was perhaps maybe possibly slightly feasible that the universe was created by something until I asked myself that question. [/quote] Would I be out of place by saying that time is a function of the Universe. It belongs with space and matter! God is not affected by these things he created them. And He just is, was and always will be beyond the physics of time. Omni present, etcetera. Edited January 9, 2010 by Mark of the Cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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