Exodus 12 And Exodus 16 Validate A Wednesday Crucifixion

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='todd_vetter33' date='28 December 2009 - 09:25 PM' timestamp='1262053505' post='2027050']
The living know that they will die, The dead know nothing. I know I am an angel for I have entered into the kingdom of heaven by seeking truth through the Law which leads you to God.

Jesus said we will all die by the hands of Evil men. My time is not yet. Physical death of the soul is assured when one comes according to the flesh if they never receive the spiritual re-birth while in the flesh.

Those who experience physical death of the flesh after spritiual re-birth cannot die but enter into rest until the resurrection on the last day
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You are an angel? Not a human being?

[Gregorius]

[quote name='Elijah' date='28 December 2009 - 09:47 PM' timestamp='1262054845' post='2027068']
I hope all the Protestants on this board are witnessing the dangers and ridiculousness of Sola Scriptura.
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I think this goes beyond Sola Scriptura, as he seems to reject the commonly accepted scripture (and still misuses it to prove an argument).

I would describe it as Sola Scriptura Mea.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Gregorius' date='29 December 2009 - 03:54 PM' timestamp='1262120064' post='2027283']
I think this goes beyond Sola Scriptura, as he seems to reject the commonly accepted scripture (and still misuses it to prove an argument).

I would describe it as Sola Scriptura Mea.
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I describe it as chicken scratch.

[Selah]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='27 December 2009 - 06:54 PM' timestamp='1261954459' post='2026639']
Todd would you just get to the point? this crucifixion thing is getting to be a one trick pony
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I like ponies!

[MIKolbe]

Todd-

Did you prophesize the death of Pope Benedict XVI was to take place in April of 2009?

YES/NO

Circle one.

[Gregorius]

[quote name='Selah' date='29 December 2009 - 04:36 PM' timestamp='1262122605' post='2027303']
I like ponies!
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You wouldn't like the one Todd has to offer- just one old, beaten-up and broken down pony.

Just saying.

[todd_vetter33]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='28 December 2009 - 09:31 PM' timestamp='1262053861' post='2027057']
apparently there is a limit on questions...

Maybe he doesn't know about the gnostic gospels.
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Some of the gnostic gospels are referenced in the studies that I have shared with this forum. See for yourself before making false assumptions as many Christians do.

[url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf"]http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf[/url]

God Bless

[todd_vetter33]

[quote name='MIkolbe' date='29 December 2009 - 08:28 PM' timestamp='1262136534' post='2027346']
Todd-

Did you prophesize the death of Pope Benedict XVI was to take place in April of 2009?

YES/NO

Circle one.
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Yes that was me when I believed the bible could lead one to the truth. I was dead wrong just as the many who build on the book and not on the Law. It wasn't until i received the spirit of truth from God that I was able to see truth from Error and understand that one cannot speak about spiritual truth untill they received the spirit of truth that was promised.

What follows is a clear truth that the spirit of truth has given me to share with you.

[center][b]The trouble with bible translations of Exodus 16: 1-2[/b][/center]
[color="#0000ff"]In my studies I illustrate all the needed history to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday. A strong supporting argument to this fact, is the full chapter of Exodus 16 which identifies the 15[sup]th[/sup] day of the second month as a seventh day Sabbath rest, as well as the 22[sup]nd[/sup] day of the second month from the Exodus as a Seventh day Sabbath. When plotting these two days on a Hebrew seven day week calendar chart and counting back the correct number of days to determine the 14[sup]th[/sup] of Nissan, one discovers that the original Passover Lamb was also slain on a Wednesday.

The problem with the bible translations of Exodus 16:1-2 is that it illustrates the 15[sup]th[/sup] day of the second month from the exodus as a travel day, so it could not therefore be a Sabbath day of rest according to current bible translations. There is a possibility that the verse has been altered by scribes and translators to give an incorrect perception of what it was intended to portray. We are going to discover that possibility to be a reality.

We are going to examine the Exodus 16:1-2 verse from every English bible version as seen on [/color][url="http://www.biblegateway.com/"][color="#0000ff"]www.biblegateway.com[/color][/url][color="#0000ff"] to see if there is consistency between what is presented, or to see if there is inconsistency. If there is inconsistency we are going to discover why the inconsistency exists. The version of the bible that each verse was taken from is not important since many claim the bible is the unchanging perfect word of God and without Error. In this document we will see if there is truth to that tradition of understanding.
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[color="#0000ff"]Exodus 16:1-2: Two English bible versions which specifically state [u]Israel[/u][u] departed Elim on the 15[sup]th[/sup] day[/u].
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On the fifteenth day of the second month after they had left Egypt, the whole company of Israel moved on from Elim to the Wilderness of Sin which is between Elim and Sinai. The whole company of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron there in the wilderness.

[font="Times New Roman"]On the fifteenth day of the second month after the Israelites had escaped from Egypt, they left Elim and started through the western edge of the Sinai Desert [sup][[/sup][/font][url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2016:1-2&version=CEV#fen-CEV-1781a"][sup][font="Times New Roman"][color="#0000ff"]a[/color][/font][/sup][/url][font="Times New Roman"][sup]][/sup] in the direction of Mount Sinai. [b][sup]2[/sup][/b]There in the desert they started complaining to Moses and Aaron,[/font]

[color="#0000ff"]Exodus 16:1-2: Three English bible versions which specifically state Israel [u]arrived in the wilderness of sin on the 15[sup]th[/sup] day[/u].
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Then the whole community of Israel set out from Elim and journeyed into the wilderness of Sin,[sup][[/sup][url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2016:1-2&version=NLT#fen-NLT-1949a"][sup][color="#0000ff"]a[/color][/sup][/url][sup]][/sup] between Elim and Mount Sinai. They arrived there on the fifteenth day of the second month, one month after leaving the land of Egypt.[sup][[/sup][url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus%2016:1-2&version=NLT#fen-NLT-1949b"][sup][color="#0000ff"]b[/color][/sup][/url][sup]][/sup] [b][sup]2[/sup][/b] There, too, the whole community of Israel complained about Moses and Aaron.

[font="Times New Roman"]The whole Israelite community left Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which was between Elim and Sinai; they arrived there on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had left Egypt.[b][sup]2[/sup][/b] Then the whole Israelite community grumbled to Moses and Aaron in the desert.[/font]

The whole community of Israel started out from Elim. They came to the Desert of Sin. It was between Elim and Sinai. They arrived there on the 15th day of the second month after they had come out of Egypt. [b][sup]2[/sup][/b] In the desert the whole community told Moses and Aaron they weren't happy with them.

[color="#0000ff"]Exodus 16:1-2: Thirteen English bible versions imply they [u]departed from Elim and arrived in the wilderness of sin on the 15[sup]th[/sup] day meaning they made the trip in one day.[/u]

[/color]And they journeyed from Elim, and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they departed from the land of Egypt. [b][sup]2[/sup][/b] Then the whole congregation of the children of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.

[color="#0000ff"][font="Times New Roman"]Some would say there is no confusion and that it is obvious they made the trip in one day and that day was the 15[sup]th[/sup] day of the second month from the Exodus. Are they who speculate this telling the solid truth simply because these bible verses imply this? I don't ask this question without good reason which we will cover soon. First I want you to answer three questions to see if you can answer them truthfully based on the manner in which these verses portray this single event in history. If you believe your answers are built on the full truth of the matter then there is no way you could have been misled by the bible to come to a FALSE understanding perceived to be truth. A simple yes or no answer will suffice for each question.[/font]
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[color="#800080"][font="Times New Roman"]Did Israel begin and complete the journey from Elim to the Wilderness of Sin in a single day on that 15[sup]th[/sup] day of the second month?[/font]
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[color="#800080"][font="Times New Roman"]Did Israel really leave Elim on the 15[sup]th[/sup] day?[/font]

[font="Times New Roman"]Did Israel really arrive at Wilderness of Sin on the 15[sup]th[/sup] day?[/font]
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[color="#0000ff"][font="Times New Roman"]If you answered yes to any of the three questions you could be wrong on all three due to a Hebrew punctuation Error that was made long after the text was originally written. When this testimony was punctuated, the scribe adding in the punctuation was unaware that this verse was missing a vital portion of [b][u]time specific truth[/u][/b] that would have caused him to punctuate differently.[/font]
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[color="#0000ff"][font="Times New Roman"]The reason I asked the questions you were sure to answer incorrectly is due to the testimony found in numbers 33:10-11 which is specific to the journey taken and has this to say about the time it took for Israel to travel from Elim to the Wilderness of Sin.[/font]
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[font="Times New Roman"][b][sup]Numbers 33: 10[/sup][/b] [color="#ff0000"][u]They moved from Elim [/u][u]and camped by the Red Sea[/u]. [b][sup]11[/sup][/b] [u]They moved from the Red Sea[/u][u] and camped in the Wilderness of Sin.[/u] [/color][/font]

[color="#0000ff"][font="Times New Roman"]When we realize that there is more testimony regarding the duration of time that is specific to this event, it becomes very clear that more than one of the bible versions translated for Exodus 16:1-2 are not telling a truth which may have caused you to answer the questions incorrectly because you were missing a vital part of the truth combined with a perception that the bible in incapable of inspiring confusion. [/font]
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[color="#0000ff"][font="Times New Roman"]We now know it is physically impossible for this trip to have been made from Elim to the Wilderness of Sin all in the same day due to the testimony found in numbers 33:10-11 combined with the geographical locations of each site, and the distance one would have needed to travel to reach each site. We will cover the geographical locations in another study based on Google earth and recent archeological findings. Would you now answer the three questions differently? Were you led to a false understanding based on half the truth? Which of the three verse types do you believe to be telling a truth inspired by God?[/font]
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[color="#800080"][font="Times New Roman"]1. Are the bible verses which specifically state they left Elim on the 15[sup]th[/sup] day telling the truth? [/font]

[font="Times New Roman"]2. Are the verses that say they arrived in the wilderness of sin on the 15[sup]th[/sup] day telling the truth? [/font]
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[color="#0000ff"][font="Times New Roman"]It clearly cannot be the majority of thirteen bible translations which imply the trip lasted only one day. Yet the Majority Thirteen bible versions which imply they departed from Elim and arrived in the wilderness of sin in a single day on that 15[sup]th[/sup] day of the second month, reflect the original Hebrew text more accurately than the minority verses which state specifically that they left Elim on day 15[sup]th[/sup] day, or arrived in the wilderness of sin on the 15[sup]th[/sup] day.[/font]
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[color="#0000ff"][font="Times New Roman"]Knowing that punctuation did not exist in the original Hebrew text at the time they were recorded can clear up this issue. Knowing that bad punctuation has led to what is obviously [b][u]confusion[/u] [/b]in translation for when they left Elim and arrived at the wilderness of sin will also be helpful. One fact that is clear, they could not have left Elim on the 15[sup]th[/sup] day and arrived in the wilderness of sin on that same 15[sup]th[/sup] day if they first camped by the Red Sea after leaving Elim and then proceeded to the Wilderness of Sin[/font]

[font="Times New Roman"]When you combine the numbers 33 travel testimony with the Exodus 16: 1-2 since they are in regards to the same point in history giving greater detail of the event, you come up with a story that looks much like this below verse. Take note of the punctuation in red color font which is still as you will see it in the 13 majority bible versions for this verse.[/font]
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They journeyed from Elim, [u]and camped by the Red Sea[/u]. [u]They moved from the Red Sea [/u]and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai[u] and camped[/u][size="5"][color="#ff0000"], [/color][/size]on the fifteenth day of the second month after they departed from the land of Egypt[size="5"][color="#ff0000"].[/color][/size] [b][sup]2[/sup][/b] The whole congregation of the children of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.

[color="#0000ff"][font="Times New Roman"]Now we can see a bigger picture of what actually transpired regarding the amount of time that elapsed from the departure from Elim, to the arrival at the Wilderness of Sin. The question to ask at this point due to punctuation is this; Did Israel arrive at the wilderness of sin on the 15[sup]th[/sup] day of the second month making that day a travel day, or is the 15[sup]th[/sup] day testimony specific to the events that followed their arrival and encampment for the rest of chapter 16. The rest of Chapter 16 is in regards to the complaint of hunger issued by the children of Israel and God restoring the Seventh day Sabbath by providing Manna for the next six days with no manna on the seventh day following the 6 days of Manna. If specific to the complaint of hunger, then the story would look like this. The Red punctuation has been swapped.[/font]
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They journeyed from Elim, [u]and camped by the Red Sea[/u]. [u]They moved from the Red Sea [/u]and all the congregation of the children of Israel came to the Wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai[u] and camped[/u][size="5"][color="#ff0000"].[/color][/size] On the fifteenth day of the second month after they departed from the land of Egypt[size="5"][color="#ff0000"],[/color][/size] [b][sup]2[/sup][/b] the whole congregation of the children of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness.

[color="#0000ff"][font="Times New Roman"]By changing the Comma after "and camped" to a period and the period after "Land of Egypt" to a Comma, it can be seen that the testimony regarding the 15[sup]th[/sup] day of the second month was in reference to the Complaint of hunger and the events that followed; not the travel. If it was in reference to the travel, it has led Christian translators to confusion for this issue causing them to insert false testimony into bible versions. The Hebrew punctuation could not have been inspired by God if it has led to confusion since God is not the author of Confusion. Can the bible lead to confusion if it is God's perfect word even though it is stated that God is not the author of Confusion? Do denominations exist?[/font]
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[color="#0000ff"][font="Times New Roman"]It becomes clear that Hebrew scribes when adding punctuation to this important verse of testimony did so in Error by using a perception that was built on half the truth since the other half of the truth was found in Numbers 33: 10-11. This time specific testimony would have effected how this verse was to be punctuated. When one reads this verse in Hebrew, it closely resembles the Majority 13 English translations which imply that they left Elim and arrived in the Wilderness of Sin on the same 15[sup]th[/sup] day. We know from numbers 33:10-11 that this is simply not true if they first stopped by the Red Sea. [/font]
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[color="#0000ff"][font="Times New Roman"]The accuracy of the translation of this verse in concert with the rest of chapter 16 validates that the 15[sup]th[/sup] day of the second month from the Exodus was in fact a Seventh day Sabbath rest after camp was established in the wilderness of Sin. This is important for having prophetic validation concerning what day of the week the Original Passover Lamb was slain since Christ claimed to fulfill all things in the Laws of Moses. This next link elaborates further on Exodus 16 the full chapter and contains the mapped locations of Elim, the campsite at the red sea, the Wilderness of Sin, the split rock at Horeb, and the mountain of Moses based on recent discoveries which can be seen on Google Earth.[/font]
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[font="Times New Roman"][url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/Exodus%2016%20confirms%20Wednesday%20Passover%20Theory.pdf"]http://www.thedeatha...er%20Theory.pdf[/url]

[color="#0000ff"]All the historical evidence needed to prove Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday can be found at this next link. It's an objective time line study which illustrates the possibilities presented by the differing Christian denominations based on the various portions of historical texts which defines the differing denominational perceptions of the Crucifixion to resurrection event. It puts to the test all the needed time specific testimony that one must consider for correctly defining the events of the last week of the life of Jesus as well as the duration of time spent in the tomb for the complete fulfillment of time specific prophecy in regards to time as defined in the bible.[/color][/font]

[font="Times New Roman"][url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf"]http://www.thedeatha...esurrection.pdf[/url]

[color="#0000ff"]Hope you enjoy the studies and may the spirit of truth from God (prophecy) guide your perceptions to understand the full truth of this controversial issue. Current Christian tradition presents half the truth of the sign of Jonah when they claim Jesus was crucified on a Friday and rose on a Sunday. In truth, does that add up to 3 days and 3 nights per the testimony of Jesus (spirit of Prophecy) and time as defined in the bible? Did Christianity build their perception on half the truth? Click the second link provided to see for yourself.[/color][/font]

[font="Times New Roman"]Very respectfully,[/font]

[font="Times New Roman"]Todd[/font]

Edited January 19, 2010 by todd_vetter33

[HisChildForever]

Oh he added purple font to the mix, what a treat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Selah]

[Marie-Therese]

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

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[CatherineM]

Todd, when my husband thinks that angels are talking to him, I up his meds. Do I need to send you some?

[todd_vetter33]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='19 January 2010 - 07:11 PM' timestamp='1263946294' post='2040384']
Todd, when my husband thinks that angels are talking to him, I up his meds. Do I need to send you some?
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If you walked in God's way, truth, and life, you have no need for Meds. A pure diet of living food provided by the lord's supper (earth) and pure spiritual food delivered by the spirit keeps the body, mind and soul pure and with out illness.

Do you believe God spoke these words?

[b]Exodus 23:25[/b]
"So you shall serve the LORD your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take [b]sickness[/b] away from the midst of you.

People who do not walk in the Law need Medicines because God spoke these words.
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[b][size="2"][/size][/b]Deuteronomy 28:58-59
[sup]58[/sup][/size][/b] "If you do not carefully observe all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, THE LORD YOUR GOD, [sup][b][size="2"]59[/size][/b][/sup] then the LORD will bring upon you and your descendants extraordinary plagues—great and prolonged plagues—and serious and prolonged sicknesses.

Untill you receive life from the spirit your soul is already dead. born into a tabernacle of flesh corrupted by the ignorance of man. God promised you the wisdom of God if you walk in His way. His way is the Law. Jesus died on the cross to show you the law was good and profitable for salvation.

The christian of today is so use to talking to a wooden statue that man has forgotten that God can speak with those who seek to be his children.

God Bless

P.S. Keep your meds.. they are for the dead who want to extend an existance in death, instead of seeking the way, the truth, and the life.

Edited January 20, 2010 by todd_vetter33

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='todd_vetter33' date='19 January 2010 - 11:27 PM' timestamp='1263961623' post='2040532']Blahblahblah
[b][size="2"]drivel drivel drivel[/size][/b]
I'm dumb.
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Fixed.

Edited January 20, 2010 by USAirwaysIHS

[CatherineM]

For someone with a serious mental illness, going off your meds, and just praying will put them in the hospital, jail, or the morgue pretty quickly.