Google Fined $15,000 A Day In Copyright Case

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='18 December 2009 - 10:43 PM' timestamp='1261194219' post='2022954']
A book is words on paper. I can make one in minutes.

~Sternhauser
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A book is also particular words and particular ideas in that particular book.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='18 December 2009 - 11:44 PM' timestamp='1261194269' post='2022955']
A book is also particular words and particular ideas in that particular book.
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You can contain ideas in a book? You can own an idea? What is property? What makes something yours? What is theft?

~Sternhauser

Edited December 19, 2009 by Sternhauser

[Crazy_4_Christ]

Ah, time for me to step in. I'm very familiar with copyright laws, registrations and processes; however, I will not reveal why because I don't want somebody to lose several thousand dollars due to having "proved a point."

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='19 December 2009 - 12:43 AM' timestamp='1261194219' post='2022954']
A book is words on paper. I can make one in minutes.

~Sternhauser
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I'm glad to see you're learning something here. Yes, you are free to spend a few minutes scattering words on a paper and calling it a book. Whether it's actually something worth reading or not, you can leave it as is, seek out potential publishers, release it under any number of licenses, or actually register it with the U.S. Copyright Office yourself. Their website is http://copyright.gov, just in case you're interested.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Crazy_4_Christ' date='19 December 2009 - 12:01 AM' timestamp='1261195282' post='2022962']
Ah, time for me to step in. I'm very familiar with copyright laws, registrations and processes; however, I will not reveal why because I don't want somebody to lose several thousand dollars due to having "proved a point."



I'm glad to see you're learning something here. Yes, you are free to spend a few minutes scattering words on a paper and calling it a book. Whether it's actually something worth reading or not, you can leave it as is, seek out potential publishers, release it under any number of licenses, or actually register it with the U.S. Copyright Office yourself. Their website is [url="http://copyright.gov"]http://copyright.gov[/url], just in case you're interested.
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We're speaking wholly theoretically here, representative of the State. We Catholics believe that statutes do not change the world of the forms. And that might does not, in fact, make right.

~Sternhauser

Edited December 19, 2009 by Sternhauser

[Crazy_4_Christ]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='19 December 2009 - 01:04 AM' timestamp='1261195469' post='2022963']
We're speaking wholly theoretically here, representative of the State. We Catholics believe that statutes do not change the world of the forms

~Sternhauser
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Would you mind elaborating on that for me? Oh and I love how you edit your posts every three seconds.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Crazy_4_Christ' date='19 December 2009 - 12:13 AM' timestamp='1261195988' post='2022970']
Would you mind elaborating on that for me? Oh and I love how you edit your posts every three seconds.
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If men in power decree a statute and enforce it with violence, it does not mean that their doing so is morally justified.

As for editing my posts every three seconds? It is conducive to conveying precisely the desired meaning.

~Sternhauser

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='19 December 2009 - 12:04 AM' timestamp='1261195469' post='2022963']
We're speaking wholly theoretically here, representative of the State. We Catholics believe that statutes do not change the world of the forms. And that might does not, in fact, make right.

~Sternhauser
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Even the state recognizes that works (film, print, art, etc) eventually end up in the 'public domain'. But state law is what we are concerned with here. The question is whether or not Google has a right according to civil law to copy and distribute copyrighted material outside of fair use clauses. They are not scanning just portions of copyrighted material, but hundred of thousands of books in their entirety without permission and making them available online. While most books you can only access small parts according to search terms, you can if you wish, over time and with patience, obtain an entire copyrighted work. The mere act of copying and storing such a work can constitute a violation in itself. Google has working agreements with many publishers, but in France, they apparently did not have appropriate permission.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='19 December 2009 - 12:18 AM' timestamp='1261196326' post='2022973']
Even the state recognizes that works (film, print, art, etc) eventually end up in the 'public domain'. But state law is what we are concerned with here. The question is whether or not Google has a right according to civil law to copy and distribute copyrighted material outside of fair use clauses. They are not scanning just portions of copyrighted material, but hundred of thousands of books in their entirety without permission and making them available online. While most books you can only access small parts according to search terms, you can if you wish, over time and with patience, obtain an entire copyrighted work. The mere act of copying and storing such a work can constitute a violation in itself. Google has working agreements with many publishers, but in France, they apparently did not have appropriate permission.
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Brother Adam,

Knight of Christ and I were not concerning ourselves with statutes and the violence used to enforce them. We acknowledge these statutes, and the violence freely used to enforce them. But we were talking about the principles upon which those statutes are allegedly founded, which are immutable principles of reality. Realities which are not mutable by men in marble halls and black robes.

~Sternhauser

[Crazy_4_Christ]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='19 December 2009 - 01:21 AM' timestamp='1261196514' post='2022974']
Brother Adam,

Knight of Christ and I were not concerning ourselves with statutes and the violence used to enforce them. We acknowledge these statutes, and the violence freely used to enforce them. But we were talking about the principles upon which those statutes are allegedly founded, which are immutable principles of reality. Realities which are not mutable by men in marble halls and black robes.

~Sternhauser
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Who says they have to be violently enforced?

[CatherineM]

Just for the record, I am paid a fee for the number of times my book is checked out at the library. It is called Public Lending Rights, and I just got a nice check from them. I also get paid when my book or articles are photocopied or duplicated by Access Copy Rights. Well, that is except for when Google did it.

[Crazy_4_Christ]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='19 December 2009 - 01:16 AM' timestamp='1261196177' post='2022972']
If men in power decree a statute and enforce it with violence, it does not mean that their doing so is morally justified.

As for editing my posts every three seconds? It is conducive to conveying precisely the desired meaning.

~Sternhauser
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Is speedy delivery that important to you? Why can't you just wait 30 seconds and get it right the first time? I think we can both agree that it'd help the "conduciveness" of this conversation, if you could even call it that.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Crazy_4_Christ' date='19 December 2009 - 12:24 AM' timestamp='1261196689' post='2022975']
Who says they have to be violently enforced?
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What puts the force in "enforce?" It's not called "ensuggest."

~Sternhauser

Edited December 19, 2009 by Sternhauser

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='19 December 2009 - 12:25 AM' timestamp='1261196705' post='2022976']
Just for the record, I am paid a fee for the number of times my book is checked out at the library. It is called Public Lending Rights, and I just got a nice check from them. I also get paid when my book or articles are photocopied or duplicated by Access Copy Rights. Well, that is except for when Google did it.
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Catherine, the United State does not have this protectionist scheme.

~Sternhauser

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='19 December 2009 - 12:27 AM' timestamp='1261196852' post='2022978']
What puts the force in "enforce?"

~Sternhauser
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What is violence?

[Crazy_4_Christ]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='19 December 2009 - 01:27 AM' timestamp='1261196852' post='2022978']
What puts the force in "enforce?" It's not called "ensuggest."

~Sternhauser
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Sternhauser,

This is so unbelievably irrelevant you should be ashamed of yourself. But I shall answer your lame inquiry regardless. Latin is what puts the force not just in enforce, but also in force. Fortis...strong....get it?