Gay Marriage, And Divorce = Massive Hypocrits?

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Winchester' date='14 December 2009 - 04:02 PM' timestamp='1260824557' post='2020543']
It's nice to know that not only American schools produce addled, lobotomized children.

Thank you for affirming that mental weakness is an international phenomenon.
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+1 for making me LOL.

[philothea]

At one point in history Catholics [i]fought a war[/i] over divorce. (Okay, there were other issues, but divorce was major.) How much more against it are we supposed to be?

If there seems to be a focus on divorce in the Gospels, that's because Jesus was talking to his fellow Jews, who had considered divorce permissible. They were all totally clear on homosexuality being abominable (as described in the Old Testament) so Jesus didn't need to discuss that.

Only once Christianity spread into the surrounding nations did condemnation of homosexuality come up, which is why Paul's letters talk about it.

[Winchester]

[quote name='philothea' date='14 December 2009 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1260825741' post='2020560']
At one point in history Catholics [i]fought a war[/i] over divorce. (Okay, there were other issues, but divorce was major.) How much more against it are we supposed to be?

If there seems to be a focus on divorce in the Gospels, that's because Jesus was talking to his fellow Jews, who had considered divorce permissible. They were all totally clear on homosexuality being abominable (as described in the Old Testament) so Jesus didn't need to discuss that.

Only once Christianity spread into the surrounding nations did condemnation of homosexuality come up, which is why Paul's letters talk about it.
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psst...it's not about truth, it's about upsetting people.

[JimR-OCDS]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='14 December 2009 - 12:52 PM' timestamp='1260809570' post='2020280']
I did many divorces in my practice, some annulments, and a lot of marriage mediations. I will tell you why I believe we should be against divorces. Because when two people enter a marriage knowing there is an easy out, they have no incentive to work anything out. When you enter marriage with the true knowledge that divorce is not an option, then you have to talk to each other, you have to learn to compromise, and you have to learn to love each other enough to truly communicate.

I remember having a discussion with a gay client that I was doing some estate planning with in 1989 about the possibility of gay marriages being recognized sometime in the future, and she said, "50% of straight marriages end in divorce, so why would we want to get into that mess?"

And yes, my husband and I entered into our marriage with the complete understanding that divorce would never happen.
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So what happens when a couple enter into a marriage, but somewhere along the way, one of them abandons their spouse, financially and emotionally?

What should the other spouse do?

For myself, I've been blessed with a good marriage for the past 36 years. However, I know others who's husbands were abusive alcoholics, who left their wife and children to survive on their own. I've known women who ran off with some other man, never to be heard from again by the husband and children she left behind. What should these people do? Should they refuse any relationship that comes into their life in the future?

Its easy form me, a happily married man to say, no, but it doesn't seem realistic, nor compassionate to place this heavy burden on them.

Jim

[Winchester]

Yeah, another place the Church is just so dumb. Honestly, if I thought the Church was really that screwed up, I'd leave.

[Nihil Obstat]

Say, just out of curiosity, does the OP know about the whole King Henry VIII problem way back when? I hear a lot of peeps died over that. Like that crazy guy, St. Thomas More.

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='14 December 2009 - 05:25 PM' timestamp='1260825915' post='2020567']

Its easy form me, a happily married man to say, no, but it doesn't seem realistic, nor compassionate to place this heavy burden on them.

Jim
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We were not promised easiness or compassion. It would be a terrible thing to be in such a circumstance, however the glorious part of it is that the heavy burden is not placed on them to bear by themselves. They carry it with Christ. And it is all realistic with Christ.

"Teresa can do nothing. Teresa and Jesus can do everything." - St. Teresa of Avila

“My yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” Mat. 11:30

“I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.” Phil. 4: 13

Peace of conscience is our only true source of happiness. When you are living in sin (divorce/re-"married" = adultery) then you are truly under a burden.

"Because true happiness, dear friends, does not consist in the pleasures of the world or in earthly things, but in peace of conscience, which we have only if we are pure in heart and mind." Bl. Pier Giorgio Frassati

Edited December 14, 2009 by TotusTuusMaria

[CatherineM]

The church allows for separation where there are abuse issues. No one should stay in that kind of relationship because of financial reasons either.

[Jesus_lol]

a friend of mine was raised by a single mum. his dad(his mum's husband) just all of a sudden disappeared without a trace.no sign of him for about 15 years now, couldn't declare him dead, or get a divorce/annulment without him there, pretty terrible for them. after about 10 years his mum fell in love again, and had another child a baby girl. had to be a common law marriage or something, cause of all the legal mess the real father left behind

[Didymus]

[quote name='Daniel Nicholas' date='14 December 2009 - 05:27 AM' timestamp='1260786434' post='2020161']
Im allowed to be a hypocrite (technically I'm not), I don't follow your religion, I don't believe in God, I follow my own common-sense and critical thinking. You, however, are bound by your religion, so therefore you must agree with Jesus.
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sounds to me that you are bound to your common sense and critical thinking (or lack thereof.)

what do you have to say to those who used their own common sense and critical thinking to freely accept the teachings of the Church? Are they not just as validated in their beliefs as you are?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='14 December 2009 - 05:26 PM' timestamp='1260829565' post='2020628']
Say, just out of curiosity, does the OP know about the whole King Henry VIII problem way back when? [/quote]
The OP can't tie his own shoes.

[Guest Daniel Nicholas]

[quote name='Varg' date='15 December 2009 - 08:06 AM' timestamp='1260824804' post='2020547']
Who's in your profile pic, Dan?
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I am.

[Guest Daniel Nicholas]

[quote name='organwerke' date='14 December 2009 - 11:38 PM' timestamp='1260794328' post='2020194']
I find ridicolous when atheists quote Jesus and then they say that they are atheist so they don't follow Him.
So, why they quote Him if they don't follow nor agree with Him? This is what I call a non-coherent behaviour.
But if they want to take Jesus' words as reference they have already the answer: in fact, when speaking about divorce, Jesus always speaks about wife/husband and man/woman, he never says "a husband that divorce a man and marries another" or "a wife that divorces a woman and marries another" but: "Anyone who divorces [b]his wife [/b]and marries [b]another woman [/b]commits adultery, and the [b]man who marries a divorced woman [/b]commits adultery".
So Jesus considers marriage only between man and woman, and says that the person who divorces and [b]remarries[/b] commit adultery.
This is exactly the Church's Teaching. Where are we hypocrit?
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And I think you're an idiot for not realising my intentions of quoting Jesus, whilst not agreeing with him.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Daniel Nicholas' date='15 December 2009 - 10:28 AM' timestamp='1260890911' post='2020927']
And I think you're an idiot for not realising my intentions of quoting Jesus, whilst not agreeing with him.
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Being incapable of rendering a cogent argument and understanding the basics of the English language, your opinion of organwerke doesn't mean two poops to anyone of consequence.

Now, if you would like to abandon the emo crapola and inane usage, perhaps you'll be taken seriously. But then you'll have to deal with Socrates. And you will lose.

[Nihil Obstat]

D.N., you know that one of the most significant events in Christian history, i.e. the creation of the Church of England under Henry VIII, happened *because* Catholics refused to budge on the issue of divorce, right? A lot of Catholics were martyred over that, like St. Thomas More as I mentioned above.