Hassan Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I am somewhat torn on the homosexuality and Islam thread. On the oe hand I agree with the outrage expressed that some individuals still consider valid archaic mandates that insist death is a fitting punishment for the monstrously egregious crime of two men or women engaging in a consenting sexual relationship. On the other hand I find the outrage from conservative Catholics somewhat hypocritical, which makes the outrage seem hollow and feigned. Let's set aside the long history of anti-sodomy laws in historic Christendom. Laws I do not recall the Vatican ever mounting a vigorous campaign to oppose as antithetical to the message of Christ. Instead my focus is on Leviticus 20:13 [i] "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."[/i] Supposedly Moses recorded this commandment from God Almighty who believes that a man lying with a man as he lies with a woman (and presumable a woman lying likewise with another woman) has committed a 'detestable' action. An action so detestable as to merit there prompt execution. The execution shall be just and their blood is upon no one other than themselves. I take from this that a Catholic cannot believe that it is intrinsically wrong to murder people for having a homosexual relationship, but merely circumstantially. As things are Christ has died for our sins and established his New Covenant. Therefore the gays may persist in their morally egregious behavior until they stand to face the wrath of a just God. Christians must love and respect homosexuals until the Christian God damns them to unending torture for their unrepeated detestable actions. But were circumstances different, were this BC times rather than AD, killing homosexuals would be not only acceptable, but the just fulfillment of holy law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servus_Mariae Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) I shouldnt write at 2:00 AM...I'll do something with this later... Edited December 14, 2009 by Servus_Mariae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Hassan' date='14 December 2009 - 01:41 AM' timestamp='1260772867' post='2020100'] Let's set aside the long history of anti-sodomy laws in historic Christendom. [/quote] I know that not many people will agree with me on this, but I think that the anti-sodomy laws found in medieval Europe were a good idea, just as I think the anti-heresy laws were a good idea. Edited December 14, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='14 December 2009 - 01:54 AM' timestamp='1260773663' post='2020107'] I know that not many people will agree with me on this, but I think that the anti-sodomy laws found in medieval Europe were a good idea, just as I think the anti-heresy laws were a good idea. [/quote] Anti-Sodomy laws are a lot more recent than medieval Europe. Lawrence v. Texas overruled anti-Sodomy laws in the United States - that case was in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 [quote name='rkwright' date='14 December 2009 - 07:58 AM' timestamp='1260795517' post='2020205'] Anti-Sodomy laws are a lot more recent than medieval Europe. Lawrence v. Texas overruled anti-Sodomy laws in the United States - that case was in 2003. [/quote] Yep. So does anyone challenge that a Christian must only believe that killing gays for having sex is only circumstantially wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
organwerke Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='14 December 2009 - 08:54 AM' timestamp='1260773663' post='2020107'] I know that not many people will agree with me on this, but I think that the anti-sodomy laws found in medieval Europe were a good idea, just as I think the anti-heresy laws were a good idea. [/quote] Yes you are right saying that not many people agree with you...not myself, at least. Hassan, I think you are only intentioned to do a silly provocation with a rhetorical question so I think people don't answer because don't consider this is a serious thread. Not myself, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Hassan, I think you just got told by a newbie. Your reputation is slipping, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 [quote name='MissyP89' date='14 December 2009 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1260827242' post='2020591'] Hassan, I think you just got told by a newbie. Your reputation is slipping, my friend. [/quote] I agree that my reputation is slipping and that the quality of my posts and attitude has been poor as of late. I think this thread, however, is absolutely legitimate and not at all silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 [quote name='organwerke' date='14 December 2009 - 04:17 PM' timestamp='1260825440' post='2020554'] Yes you are right saying that not many people agree with you...not myself, at least. Hassan, I think you are only intentioned to do a silly provocation with a rhetorical question so I think people don't answer because don't consider this is a serious thread. Not myself, at least. [/quote] You catch on fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 [quote name='MissyP89' date='14 December 2009 - 01:47 PM' timestamp='1260827242' post='2020591'] Hassan, I think you just got told by a newbie. Your reputation is slipping, my friend. [/quote] [img]http://images2.fanpop.com/images/answers/18000/18338_1243962717311_400_300.jpg[/img] [size="3"]that new guy is gonna be trouble, i can feel it... [size="2"][/size] [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 This is a pic of the new person that I found on the interwebs. [IMG]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/NoonienSoong_2006/dlc_macho_dude.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qVbNSvii4uc/SBZgFcM0I8I/AAAAAAAAApY/jOLi-TsHO50/s400/steroid_debbie_dog.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Daniel Nicholas Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' date='14 December 2009 - 05:41 PM' timestamp='1260772867' post='2020100'] I am somewhat torn on the homosexuality and Islam thread. On the oe hand I agree with the outrage expressed that some individuals still consider valid archaic mandates that insist death is a fitting punishment for the monstrously egregious crime of two men or women engaging in a consenting sexual relationship. On the other hand I find the outrage from conservative Catholics somewhat hypocritical, which makes the outrage seem hollow and feigned. Let's set aside the long history of anti-sodomy laws in historic Christendom. Laws I do not recall the Vatican ever mounting a vigorous campaign to oppose as antithetical to the message of Christ. Instead my focus is on Leviticus 20:13 [i] "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."[/i] Supposedly Moses recorded this commandment from God Almighty who believes that a man lying with a man as he lies with a woman (and presumable a woman lying likewise with another woman) has committed a 'detestable' action. An action so detestable as to merit there prompt execution. The execution shall be just and their blood is upon no one other than themselves. I take from this that a Catholic cannot believe that it is intrinsically wrong to murder people for having a homosexual relationship, but merely circumstantially. As things are Christ has died for our sins and established his New Covenant. Therefore the gays may persist in their morally egregious behavior until they stand to face the wrath of a just God. Christians must love and respect homosexuals until the Christian God damns them to unending torture for their unrepeated detestable actions. But were circumstances different, were this BC times rather than AD, killing homosexuals would be not only acceptable, but the just fulfillment of holy law. [/quote] I wish the Catholic church did go around calling for the execution of homosexuals, it would help boost the Aethiest movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 [quote name='Daniel Nicholas' date='15 December 2009 - 10:19 AM' timestamp='1260890373' post='2020923'] I wish the Catholic church did go around calling for the execution of homosexuals, it would help boost the Aethiest movement. [/quote] I wish atheists knew how to spell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Daniel Nicholas Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 [quote name='hot stuff' date='16 December 2009 - 02:31 AM' timestamp='1260891104' post='2020930'] I wish atheists knew how to spell [/quote] I despise your spelling, Im sorry. [url="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=aetheist"]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=aetheist[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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