elizabeth09 Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 Yes, but as a Roman Catholic, I believe that God is everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='13 December 2009 - 10:22 AM' timestamp='1260660125' post='2019367'] You will find that some posters here (including the one typing this post) feel that it is a scriptural mandate (see 1 Corinthians 11) that women should cover their heads at Mass. [/quote] I was just reading that and it also says [sup][/sup][quote][sup]14[/sup]Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, [/quote] Jesus and disciples are usually depicted as having long hair. Mysterious??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 [quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='25 December 2009 - 02:36 AM' timestamp='1261730161' post='2025845'] [sup][/sup] Jesus and disciples are usually depicted as having long hair. Mysterious??? [/quote] You have to look at that in context too. If I'm not mistaken, the norm was longer than we're used to for men 2000 years ago. "Long" hair, by their standards, was significantly longer than what we consider long today. At least that's what I seem to recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='25 December 2009 - 10:03 PM' timestamp='1261767780' post='2025949'] You have to look at that in context too. If I'm not mistaken, the norm was longer than we're used to for men 2000 years ago. "Long" hair, by their standards, was significantly longer than what we consider long today. At least that's what I seem to recall. [/quote] Well, it certainly wasn't for the Romans or the Greeks, judging by the extant sculpture. We don't know about the Jews, because they eschewed the pictorial arts. However, there are Biblical strictures about "cutting the hair at the corners of the head", wherever the "corners" are supposed to be, and shaving, and tonsuring the top of the head. Today's ultra-Orthodox often keep the hair very short indeed, except for earlocks, and do not trim their beards at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 I think women had [i]long [/i]hair too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 [quote name='Antigonos' date='25 December 2009 - 02:02 PM' timestamp='1261771345' post='2025976'] Well, it certainly wasn't for the Romans or the Greeks, judging by the extant sculpture. We don't know about the Jews, because they eschewed the pictorial arts. However, there are Biblical strictures about "cutting the hair at the corners of the head", wherever the "corners" are supposed to be, and shaving, and tonsuring the top of the head. Today's ultra-Orthodox often keep the hair very short indeed, except for earlocks, and do not trim their beards at all. [/quote] Well obviously it would be better for a Biblical scholar to comment on that one. I'm just recalling something I've heard in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='26 December 2009 - 01:48 AM' timestamp='1261781335' post='2026026'] I think women had [i]long [/i]hair too... [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/hehe.gif[/img] [/quote] Yes, but men kept their heads covered out of "fear of Heaven" while women covered their hair so as not to be attractive to any but their husbands. Small difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 In Christian liturgy a man does not pray with his head covered, and this is why the Bishop (or other cleric) removes his head covering during the anaphora and other prayers. On the other hand, a woman is to cover her head as a sign of submission to her husband, and because of the presence of the holy angels at the liturgical synaxis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Crud. I ran out of cookies for Apo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='27 December 2009 - 05:47 AM' timestamp='1261853263' post='2026271'] On the other hand, a woman is to cover her head as a sign of submission to her husband, [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Wow. What's so bad about laughing at the idea of a woman submitting to her husband. Where I come from the reverse is usually the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 One needs to understand what is properly meant when we say submit. What it doesn't mean is being a slave, or being somehow worth less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark of the Cross Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='28 December 2009 - 02:51 PM' timestamp='1261972318' post='2026756'] One needs to understand what is properly meant when we say submit. What it doesn't mean is being a slave, or being somehow worth less. [/quote] Yeah of course. I stand up to her sometimes. But she is so determined, that I eventually have to give in to get some peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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